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From: ned

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Date: 7/27/2009 9:48:52 AM
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so at the end the italians won against the economy based on the construction done by germans?

We will see other opinion these changes I thought were made to avoid that a team like torooo (just for example) will continue to make money thanks to the low competition, big arena and not so expensive roster. In your bundesliga there is a team that earns 430k/week, for sure he's a great manager and for sure in other countries people decided to invest in the arena but till now both strategy could be valid, invest on the arena or on the roster. Only now is completely clear that the first choice was much better, as written before I think an arena of 25-30k seats could be the best, if you think having a Maracanà stadium in Ausburg probably is more than enough

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From: CrazyEye

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Date: 7/27/2009 9:55:12 AM
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We will see other opinion these changes I thought were made to avoid that a team like torooo (just for example) will continue to make money thanks to the low competition, big arena and not so expensive roster.


we'll see, maybe the other contribution with more marketing and less visitors make the gap smaller betwenn succesfull teams and unsuccesfull teams. I don't watch torooo's rooster for a while, but is his rooster really cheap?

From: ned

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Date: 7/27/2009 10:04:15 AM
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Not now... He should pay about 640k/week, before to buy Romagnoli he has a roster similar to ours speaking about salary.

Anyway I don't want to focus my attention to the arena, now I should earn about 30k/week, with these money I will update mine and in the year 2020, I'll be the same arena that you
What do you think about marchanding related to the power to the player you've in roster? How do you think he will be implemented?

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From: CrazyEye

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Date: 7/27/2009 10:05:45 AM
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I think it will basing on salary with an Bonus for NT players, but to be honest i have no idea how they do it really^^

From: Pallu

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Date: 7/27/2009 10:06:15 AM
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(...) invest on the arena or on the roster. Only now is completely clear that the first choice was much better, (...)


I disagree. All those that invested in roster without thinking about financial consequences (wages) are now happy. TV-Revenues are an immediate payback based on wages - and Arena revenues will be cut soon.

A very populist measure to keep everybody (who overspent) happy.

From: ned

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Date: 7/27/2009 10:09:42 AM
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Once again, for me it's ok also to give a premium to everyone that invested in the arena but we should have a stop in the buildings, 60k, 100k but at the end we can't continue to raise the gap increasing the arena. As far as I know who has the big arena can now sell the seats and having back the money.

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From: CrazyEye

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Date: 7/27/2009 10:14:31 AM
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Once again, for me it's ok also to give a premium to everyone that invested in the arena but we should have a stop in the buildings


we had one, the tall blacks reached it for example in the VIP section(or nearly) with hundreds seats. And the investment was huge, for a small advantage against my 50 seats so i also don't expect much teams to build their arena to the end.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/27/2009 10:14:58 AM

From: Pallu

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Date: 7/27/2009 10:17:10 AM
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Taking some action against huge Arenas was reasonable.

I just don't like the idea that two ways of extreme management (huge arenas or overspending on wages) are treated differently. Arena style is cut, wage style is subsidied.


From: rwystyrk

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Date: 7/27/2009 10:53:37 AM
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I don't agree that taking action against huge Arenas was reasonable. Because building too large arenas wasn't reasonable, bacause of lower ticket prices.

For example comparing my team and Tall Blacks. He invest to the arena about 9M $ dollars more than me. This month he gains 673k for match with good Fan Survey, 543k for match with worse Fan Survey. I earned 555k for match with good Fan Survey.
This season I have had all the matches fans in good mood (except of round 1 after Fan Survey reset). He plays 3 times (tomorrow next one) with bad mood and 4 times with good mood. Last season he plays 6 times in good fans mood and 5 times in bad mood. And in playoff he plays only 1 away match.
My team played only 1 match in bad mood (and again 1 match in reseted mood) and 9 times in good mood. And I played 4 home and 1 away match in playoff.
So it takes him very long time to give his 9M $ back. Maybe he would not gain him at all.

In my eyes even without planned changes it wasn't reasonable to build arena larger than something around 30k.

From: Pallu

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Date: 7/27/2009 12:23:53 PM
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I would have preferred a more subtle handling of the issue as well. What you describe shows that the former economy was able to deal with different Arena sizes.

I see the entire changes as a tribute to teams ignoring wages and then complain about the economy. We had a wage issue, not an Arena issue. Exceptions to the rule can be found of course.

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