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I disagree that training gameshape is pointless.
For example, I want to win all the remaining games in my div 2, and to do this I need to play my best players a lot. I am not training any young players until next season and I have already got high stamina and high free throws.
So training gameshape allows me to play all my best players in all the games without experiencing a drop in gameshape.
I already have all high gameshapes, I just want to know if I have the option to overplay minutes and train gameshape and keep gameshape levels the same or increase a little bit.

Training gameshape is important when your stupid coach cannot figure out how to install a system that gives minutes appropriately. I've got one of those coaches.

For whatever reason, my starting PG and backup PG do not rotate fairly well at all. They've done well in seasons past and I never really had a problem with their gameshape but for whatever reason this season, my starting PG had been playing 42 minutes a game while his backup for several seasons now (since Season 6) has been getting about 6 minutes a game ... something that seems way off. There have been times when I switched them around or sat my starter to give my backup a shot at running the show, so minutes appear realistic right now, but when playing the same rotation of my starter/backup, my starter received far too many minutes.

So I had to train gameshape back to the point where my PG was playing on GS of 5 but rather closer to the typical 8 or 9 he's been accustomed to.

BTW, his most recent pop in gameshape was a +3. I think a Fitness trainer might have helped there but then again, I am not sure what exact impact a Fitness trainer has on the overall impact on training.

As far as I am aware, a fitness trainer has no impact at all on gameshape.
So when you trained gameshape, what was the gameshape before, and what was it after? And how many minutes did the player play that week?
Thanks

I trained gameshape for 2 weeks when he was at Mediocre. First week he played 2 games, 26 minutes, no change in Gameshape. Second week he played 55 minutes and improved in Gameshape from Mediocre to Strong.

Trainer is Advanced with a focus on Fitness.

Trainer is Advanced with a focus on Fitness.

Fitness specialty has nothing to do with game shape. Fitness lessens stamina drops. Massage specialty on your doctor is what gives you slightly more leeway on game shape.

To answer your question about the minutes, my guess would be that his GS would drop one level, unless his current GS is at the high end of strong (You can guesstimate his sublevel by his DMI). I do not think that GS training is a waste of time if you are A) not currently developing prospects, trying to win all your games, and/or C) trying to save money by hiring a level 1 coach. The coach level makes no difference when training GS so you can save a bundle and have a team that is going to perform very well. You can also alternate with FT shooting to improve that as well.
Good luck.

Thanks. I'll try the gameshape training and see how it goes. I'll post the results here.

I've trained Gameshape once last season.
The results weren't much better than in normal weeks for me...

Minutes that week - average of that week and week before - Change in Game shape

70 - 63.5 - 8>9 +1
64 - 64.5 - 8>8 +0
57 - 61.0 - 8>9 +1
32 - 46.0 - 8>8 +0
38 - 57.5 - 8>9 +1
00 - 44.0 - 8>7 -1
26 - 33.0 - 9>8 -1
56 - 58.5 - 9>9 +0
64 - 67.0 - 9>9 +0
58 - 58.0 - 9>9 +0
14 - 33.5 - 8>8 +0

All those changes would've been reasonable also without the gameshape training. This might not be the best example but it's the only one I have.

Last edited by El Duderino at 8/31/2010 4:59:33 AM

Thanks for the information!

14 - 33.5 - 8>8 +0
32 - 46.0 - 8>8 +0
26 - 33.0 - 9>8 -1
32 - 46.0 - 8>8 +0

I think those are 4 cases you listed where the gameshape training did a pretty good job.

Hey guys,
I did gameshape training this week and this was what happened:

Last weeks information:
Gabriel Cornaggia: Played 96 minutes and had proficient gameshape
Stefan Lütgert: Played 92 minutes and had strong gameshape
Ola Persson: Played 81 minutes and had strong gameshape
Lukas Paul Streitweiser: Played 73 minutes and had strong gameshape
Armando Reyna: Played 69 minutes and had proficient gameshape
Du Chenen: Played 55 minutes and had proficient gameshape
Sando Olajdzajkovski: Played 48 minutes and had inept gameshape
Teemu Ristiniemi: Played 48 minutes and had mediocre gameshape
Alexander Toporkov: Played 48 minutes and had respectable gameshape


This week:
Gabriel Cornaggia: Now has strong gameshape
Stefan Lütgert: Now has stong gameshape
Ola Persson: Now has proficient gameshape
Lukas Paul Streitweiser: Now has proficient gameshape
Armando Reyna: Now has proficient gameshape
Du Chenen: Now has proficient gameshape
Sando Olajdzajkovski: Now has respectable gameshape
Teemu Ristiniemi: Now has respectable gameshape
Alexander Toporkov: Now has respectable gameshape

Conclusion:
Gabriel Cornaggia: Played 96 minutes and went from proficient gameshape to strong gameshape
Stefan Lütgert: Played 92 minutes and went from strong gameshape to strong gameshape
Ola Persson: Played 81 minutes and went from strong gameshape to proficient gameshape
Lukas Paul Streitweiser: Played 73 minutes and went from strong gameshape to proficient gameshape
Armando Reyna: Played 69 minutes and went from proficient gameshape to proficient gameshape
Du Chenen: Played 55 minutes and went from proficient gameshape to proficient gameshape
Sando Olajdzajkovski: Played 48 minutes and went from inept gameshape to respectable gameshape
Teemu Ristiniemi: Played 48 minutes and went from mediocre gameshape to respectable gameshape
Alexander Toporkov: Played 48 minutes and went from respectable gameshape to respectable gameshape

Obviously this is only based on 1 week of data and so isn't proof of anything, but so far the results seem to suggest to me that gameshape training can be worth it in a variety of situations and is quite effective. Obviously sublevels come in to play as well and perhaps last week's minutes as well.
Just a note: I have a doctor with massage specialty

Overall results:
How many players played between 48 minutes and 75 minutes and stayed with the same gameshape? 3
How many players played between 48 minutes and 75 minutes and improved gameshape? 3
How many players played between 48 minutes and 75 minutes and decreased in gameshape? 0
How many players played less than 48 minutes or more than 75 minutes and stayed with the same gameshape? 1
How many players played less than 48 minutes or more than 75 minutes and improved gameshape? 1
How many players played less than 48 minutes or more than 75 minutes and decreased in gameshape? 1

Interesting :)

Wow, that was hard to read. As with anything game shape related, you have to track minutes over a long period of time. The minutes from previous weeks matter (although, of course more recent weeks are given more weight).

Someone in my league was training game shape a lot last season. I noticed at one point because all his players seemed to consistently stay at proficient game shape (of course, he had nearly perfect minutes at the beginning of the season). But as the cup finals approached, he started playing his main players too much (90+ minutes). They still held at around 9 game shape the first week, but in subsequent weeks they dropped to levels closer to respectable.

Of course, I can't be sure if he stopped training game shape somewhere along the line.