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179621.5 in reply to 179621.4
Date: 4/7/2011 4:39:28 AM
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i have several player with high stamina, and for me the substituitions always had worked.


Glad you commented. It seemed odd and I was going to ask around.


Certainly OP is doing something wrong.

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179621.6 in reply to 179621.5
Date: 4/7/2011 6:39:26 AM
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It isn't something wrong per se. The scenario he is describing is true if he has a really strong starter and a really weak backup. No matter how many minutes the starter plays, he will still be better than the backup, hence why the coach keeps him on.

It really has nothing to do with high stamina. If you have a 100k player with atrocious stamina and a 5k player in at backup with proficient stamina, the same thing would happen. (assuming the game is close and there are no other factors like a blowout, etc)

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179621.7 in reply to 179621.6
Date: 4/7/2011 7:10:50 AM
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This problem can be sorted out in a snap, if minute allocation were allowed. It doesn't even have to be exact minutes, a range would do as well. For example Starter -> 35-40, Bench Player -> 10-15. Etc. Substitutions could be made at default times during the game, when the starters get tired, or when the score allows it - to get to that target of the minute range. In a blowout the bench player would play more..

But of course this would make it easier to train players given the training system depends on minutes played. Which, btw, isn't exactly realistic either.

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179621.8 in reply to 179621.7
Date: 4/7/2011 7:58:23 AM
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That would make it too easy. Its OPs own fault if he cant put together a team with decent backups - fix your lineup and minutes wont be an issue anymore.

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179621.9 in reply to 179621.8
Date: 4/7/2011 11:23:32 AM
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Fair enough, as things stand.

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179621.10 in reply to 179621.7
Date: 4/7/2011 2:06:48 PM
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That unnecessarily complicates the game, doesn't it?

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179621.11 in reply to 179621.8
Date: 4/7/2011 2:11:52 PM
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The quality of the backup should be irrelevant! If I'm setting the depth chart, maybe I'd like a scrub to come off the bench and eat minutes, if I'm going to win anyways. Basically the "strictly follow depth chart" option then becomes the "coach picks from depth chart" option.

And are you saying that if the backup is a bad player, the starter won't sub out regardless of stamina? Because this is quite clearly not true. Players with average to bad stamina always sub out, regardless of the quality of the backup. This should be no different for strong and proficient players.

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179621.12 in reply to 179621.11
Date: 4/7/2011 5:32:02 PM
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I agree with you, in non trainable slot i buy players with low stamina (3) yust to avoid them playing too much minutes because i can´t aford a good backup. For me, low stamina in this players is good and somethin i look for. I should not be like that.

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179621.13 in reply to 179621.1
Date: 4/7/2011 9:22:00 PM
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The problem isn't stamina. It's the large quality gap between your starter and your backup.

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179621.14 in reply to 179621.13
Date: 4/7/2011 9:58:41 PM
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That's a problem, but not the problem.

If my awful stamina SF is backed up by a much worse player, he subs out without fail. If my strong stamina PG is backed up by a similarly bad player, he doesn't come out of the game. So the problem is directly related to stamina.

As far as quality players go, there are sound strategies in which you use bad players to eat minutes in easy league games, to save salary. If an owner sets his sim for "strictly follow depth chart," the coach should follow that depth chart. It's absurd that a player with strong stamina becomes some sort of renegade who can successfully tune out his coach, just because his owner had the nerve to make his stamina better.

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179621.15 in reply to 179621.14
Date: 4/7/2011 10:21:38 PM
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That is half right but it is because of high stamina that they are able to perform at a higher level for longer periods of time. During that time, the player is still able to play better than your backup so hence your backup won't come on.

e.g (figures are completely arbitrary and used to demonstrate my point)

Say you have a starting PG with Passing at 15 and a backup PG with Passing at 5

If your starter have awful stamina, he will get tired sooner meaning his skills will drop sooner. When it drops to say around 4, the backup is stronger than the starter so the backup comes on.

If your starter have strong stamina, he will be able to play long periods without having to rest. So say for the whole game, his skill drop from 15 to say 7 by the end of the game, which is still higher than your backup. Hence your backup does not come on at all.

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