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180178.5 in reply to 180178.4
Date: 4/14/2011 9:17:00 PM
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I'm one of those who believe driving layups depend on IS. How do you train it? By playing 6'2 guy at C for 5-6 weeks a pop? So average/respectable IS is quite nice to start out with.

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180178.6 in reply to 180178.5
Date: 4/15/2011 12:05:19 AM
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Well if IS was to be trained one position at C, even for players with 6'2, I can't imagine it'd take 5-6 weeks to pop. At the slowest 4 weeks, but it would probably be 2-3 weeks. If IS is trained when they're 18, it pops quite fast.
And given that their current position is PF, you can never tell if the guard skills are atrocious or not. If the guard skills were atrocious, the player is then worthless. So it's too risky imo.

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180178.7 in reply to 180178.6
Date: 4/15/2011 12:41:41 AM
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The point is you don't wanna spend ANY time training IS, certainly not trade 2 OD pops for 1 IS pop. The fact that they're PFs rather than Cs mean they at least have some JS.
People usually start guard trading with OD, so by the playoff time, you could have a player who can hold his own.
I'm glad not everyone shares my views, cause it makes it cheaper for me to find trainee prospects.

Last edited by thylacine at 4/15/2011 12:43:45 AM

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180178.8 in reply to 180178.7
Date: 4/15/2011 2:15:03 AM
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I'm not gonna argue much because everybody has his/her own way. But the fact that his PF could signify that he has some JS, but to be a good guard, it takes more than a good JS and there's a chance that his OD, JR etc could be really low. If that was the case, the draftee would be useless (not 100% useless but most managers would sell him etc). So I personally wouldn't risk it.

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180178.9 in reply to 180178.7
Date: 4/15/2011 3:06:25 AM
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So... You'd rather train OD from atrocious instead of IS from atrocious...

Right.

Well lucky for me I have a SF/PF, but let me add that my guard McArtur has stupendous driving and very little IS, and makes layups quite successfully.

OD and JR are the worst skills to train on taller guys, my guy Dell'Asta started with inept OD, he can now guard pretty much any PG/SG in top divisions, took me 28 weeks to train those levels...

My opinion is take the SF.

A SF with atrocious IS is ok, you can train it up to proficient/prominent and he'll still be useful. A good SF without at least tremendous+ OD is useless in higher divisions, and trust me, you don't want to train OD to tremendous from atrocious... Ever.

Last edited by iwen at 4/15/2011 3:08:18 AM

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180178.11 in reply to 180178.9
Date: 4/15/2011 11:47:18 AM
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My opinion is take the SF.

This much is obvious.

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180178.12 in reply to 180178.10
Date: 4/15/2011 11:55:04 AM
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Remember, you can do a defensive switch so he's not guarding the opposing PG

You can do that, but that would mean that you'll need say a PF with as good OD as normal PG. Now that is not very likely to happen...
I also think that IS plays a role to an extent in driving layups but I don't believe it's essential. There are guards with low IS who can make driving layups frequently. And besides, majority of the guards take shots from the perimeter as opposed to from inside. So training IS for guards is not very essential imo.

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180178.13 in reply to 180178.12
Date: 4/15/2011 11:58:45 AM
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actually, you don't. You need a PF with enough OD to guard a SF, and an SF with enough OD to guard a SG. Both aren't that implausible... particularly if you're playing with two SGs as Wings.

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180178.14 in reply to 180178.12
Date: 4/15/2011 12:31:13 PM
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If you want to play inside offence, you can't have guards with low IS.

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180178.15 in reply to 180178.13
Date: 4/15/2011 12:34:32 PM
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actually, you don't. You need a PF with enough OD to guard a SF, and an SF with enough OD to guard a SG. Both aren't that implausible... particularly if you're playing with two SGs as Wings.

True, but life isn't as easy as you'd hope to be :P

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