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If relation is bilateral and symmetrical then if we want to train skill X faster it means that skill Y has to be higher and... skill Y has to be trained slower ;-) So if we want to gain time to train skill X it means that earlier we have to lose time to train skill Y ;-)

This is true. If you start with a player who has all skills on Respectable, there isn't any EE. From my experience, in such situation would be the best to train 1 on 1 so DR and HA reach 2 levels of skills above OD, JR and PA and then train those to gain maximum effect out of EE. This is true for a guard of course.

But if you have two players, let's say...

Player 1: OD 3, HA 8, DR 8

Player 2: OD 8, HA 4, DR 4

which one would you take? I'd take P1, because not only OD would train faster and gain on P2, but HA and DR are also important for PA and JR el. effect.

Last edited by Koperboy at 10/5/2011 9:23:46 AM

I share your idea. Additionally, with the introduction of cross-training this season, forcing one type of training for too long with a plan to create "enormous" elastic effect on related skills for future training can turn out to be a very bad plan. Not only that you are facing the negative elastic effect with the skills distancing too far from the related (you explained that), now this distancing means 1) more than 10% subtraction from the speed of the primary training for the purpose of cross-training (slower training) and 2) more then 10% training to unrelated skills for a training type (more than 10% random in a training plan).

I figure the purpose of the elastic effect was to have well-rounded players, and so I try to keep skills relatively close together. I trust the BBs in developing a system that encourages well-rounded players since I don't feel I'm even close to figuring out the particulars. But I do try to include what little I know when considering what players to pick from the TL.

Well rounded playes are surely most effective salary-wise. But elastic effect doesn't only help players to become well-rounded, it also helps to maintain training speed. For example, I'm training JR for more than half a season now and my trainee popped every two weeks regularly. But now his JR level came just one level under JS, HA and DR. I should train 1 on 1 for two weeks now before proceeding with JR, but I didn't. What happened was my trainee didn't pop in JR for third straight week. If I would take into account elastic effect, JR wouldn't slow down.

Last edited by Koperboy at 10/11/2011 1:40:37 AM

i think he hoped, that the elastic effect works in is favour when he keep skills close together, instead of training against the elastic effect and to profit aftrwards from it. I also hope that it is that way, even when i also could imagine that driving/handling, maybe training first could help the general training speed.

Which is optional i don't know.

I see that. If you keep the skills together, you don't have negative elastic effect, but you also don't profit from any skill that is higher (I know that in order to get to that higher skill, you have to take into account negative EE).

driving/handling, maybe training first could help the general training speed.

That's exactly what I'm promoting (for guards and forwards, not for centers): 1 on 1 for forwards is the way to generate elastic effect.

but when the malus raise higher then the profit, you loose throug inbalanced training which would make it better to keep all on a similiar level. Which make you profit from elastic effect, cause you suing it best in this scenario.

I don't know what is best, personally i tend to driving first and then train the rest balanced but the difference is at least not that big to a more conservativ training regime.

Well, the difference can be two-three "free" weeks/season, which is not bad. If you do the training properly, you will never experience 3 weeks for JR or OD, effectively netting you those "free" weeks compared to competition.

Last edited by Koperboy at 10/11/2011 4:40:55 AM

I still think that sequence of training doesn't matter. Because if You train skill A faster then skill B is trained slower. And if You train trained skill faster then related skills are trained slower.

How does elastic effect work? If trained skill is on the same level as unrelated skill then 90% of training goes to trained + related skills and 10% of training goes to unrelated skills (numbers aren't strict, they are only to demonstration). If trained skill is much lower than unrelated skills than 99% of training goes to trained + related skills and only 1% goes to unrelated skills. And if trained skill is much higher than unrelated skills then only 80% of training goes to trained + related skills and 20% of training goes to unrelated skills.
As we can see speed of training of trained skill isn't constant but sum of all effects of training is always = 100% ;-)

And very important thing. Related skills in normal training are working in the same way as unrelated skills in elastc effect ;-) BBs wrote it in announcement. So it means that that distribution between trained and related skills sometimes is 80%-20% and sometimes 99%-1%.

If we aggregate these two effects then we could have distributions:
60% - trained skill
20% - related skills
20% - unrelated skills

or

98% - trained skill
1% - related skills
1% - unrelated skills

Difference between 98% and 60% is huge and I'm sure that it's is visible and You can feel that training looks faster. But it doesn't mean that sum of all effects of training is greater ;-)

Last edited by B.B.King at 10/11/2011 4:57:33 AM

i really doubt it isbig like that, else the discussion about wouldn't start in season 13-14 first with examples.