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Thanks, hrudey

Guess you're right. Actually my PF waited for his FT when the garbage time player (a PF) came in. But i cannot see the sense of replacing the trainee! A trainee playing Point Guard!
I know, sometimes things happen in this game that are not quite logical. But this is ridiculous...

It's definitely frustrating. At least it's a scenario that's not very common, but it's one that I'd like to see fixed.

You wont see it fixed because BBs dont like players playing 48 minutes and that is a way of penalize it.

you can minimize it by taking a maximum of 9 players (2 trainees) or 8 (1 trainee), so once subs for the non trainees are in for garbage minutes, there are no subs for the trainees.

The problem is is fouling out or injures,in both events you will have a player out of position.

You wont see it fixed because BBs dont like players playing 48 minutes and that is a way of penalize it.

you can minimize it by taking a maximum of 9 players (2 trainees) or 8 (1 trainee), so once subs for the non trainees are in for garbage minutes, there are no subs for the trainees.

The problem is is fouling out or injures,in both events you will have a player out of position.

I am quite well aware of this. The situation I am describing and what the original poster went through is not at all helped by your advice, though. Take the following generic lineup which describes mine perfectly and I assume the original poster as well:

PG: PG1 - PG1 - PG1 (trainee, set for 48 minutes)
SG: SG1- SG2 - SG2
SF: SF1 - SF2 - SF2
PF: PF1 - PF2 - PF2
C : C1 - C2 - C2

Now, normally when garbage time hits, the #2 for each position comes in and the starter gets 48 minutes. But garbage time starts when SG1, SF1, PF1 or C1 are going to shoot free throws, the backup will replace the PG1, since the guy shooting FTs can not be replaced.

In theory, the way around that would be to have the same guy backing up two positions (e.g., C and PF) so that if SF1, for example, is at the foul line, SF2 can replace either PF or C. But I'm not sure if that would work entirely either and recreating the situation on demand is unlikely for non-developers. It's a minor nuisance really - the OP in this thread lost a minute or so, I lost maybe 2 - but it's on a different level than just complaining about not being able to set minutes exactly or whatever.

This may be the problem:

PG: PG1 - PG1 - PG1 (trainee, set for 48 minutes)
SG: SG1- SG2 - SG2
SF: SF1 - SF2 - SF2
PF: PF1 - PF2 - PF2
C : C1 - C2 - C2

I always play mine like this:
PG: PG1 - NONE - NONE
SG: SG1- SG2 - NONE
SF: SF1 - SF2 - NONE
PF: PF1 - PF2 - NONE
C : C1 - C2 - NONE
and I don't have any problems in garbage time.

That wouldn't solve this particular problem either. If your PF is going to shoot FTs and garbage time is triggered, PF2 will replace PG1. I've never had any problems with my set up and people who have reported problems with leaving slots empty generally haven't found problems with it, but the free throw situation is an exception.

If your PF is going to shoot FTs and garbage time is triggered, PF2 will replace PG1.

So, in this situation the PG is going to be replaced, right?
At least, this happened to me and to you, two out of some 50.000 managers. Ever heard of anybody else going through that? Is it just bad luck for the both of us, or a real bug?

Only a BB could answer that, I know ;-)

Garbage time and no subs when PF shoot FT: (39840028)
Although that's the 2nd PF who shot it and I didn't have subs for wingmen as well.

Well, your opponent was the one at the line, so this scenario doesn't apply, and since you only had two subs I think it wouldn't have been a problem either.

If you put players like this...

PG trainee - trainee - trainee
SG sg1 - sg2 - none
SF sf1 - sf2 - none
PF pf1 - pf2 - none
C c1 - c2 - none

...and tell your trainer to strictly follow depth chart, I think you won't have problems (unless you're leading around +60 in which case trainer ignores you and puts someone in instead of your trainee - which I witnessed on my trainee twice this season already). :))

Well, your opponent was the one at the line

Well read carefully. Want me to quote it? This is what you read:

4 3:19 104 — 33 H. bin Jamlus (H) attempts a jumper from the elbow
4 3:19 104 — 33 D. Viejo (A) is called for a shooting foul.
4 3:19 104 — 33 Free throw missed by H. bin Jamlus (H).
4 3:19 104 — 34 The free throw by H. bin Jamlus (H) is up and in.

Right after that free throw, this happened:

4 3:07 105 — 34 D. Viejo (A) sinks the free throw.
4 3:07 105 — 34 A. bin Kassim (H) will come off the bench to replace A. bin Ariffin (H) at PG.
4 3:07 105 — 34 Free throw missed by D. Viejo (A).

I didn't know my opponent had a player playing away who has the same name as my player. -___-

and since you only had two subs I think it wouldn't have been a problem either.

Hello~ My two subs were at C and PF. You could at least have thought of a better reason, like because the FT was shot by my sub. It's more logical than this -___-

Sorry if my reply was a little bit rude, but I became a certain Captain Jean-Luc Picard demotivational poster after reading your post.

Rudeness is no problem, although I would prefer if you saved it for when I was actually wrong. ;) Look at the match in the viewer again and fast forward to 35 minutes 15 seconds . With 0:43 seconds left, Mohd Nafuzi bin Hassan is called for a shooting foul, his player Abdul Samad bin Kassim goes to the line, he hits the first, then you see some substitutions followed by the text: "It looks like that we're now in garbage time" -- while his player is at the line. (I hope none of the names were misspelled, but I was typing them in directly since I can't copy and paste from the viewer).

The point I am trying to make is that when you see the text "It looks like we are in garbage time", your coach will try to replace all of your starters with bench players. Normally, with 9 players, that's no problem for a trainee who is the only player set at his position.

Now contrast that with the game of the original poster. Fast forward to 34 minutes 20 seconds, and at 1:31 his PF is fouled. Garbage time is called, and the two backups on the bench come in. But because the PF can not be replaced since he is shooting FTs, the backup PF goes to replace the PG, despite the orders being set correctly.

I hope that my explanation makes some sense to you now. The situation is only a problem when the garbage time substutions are made when one of your starters is going to the FT line. That player's substitute will still come in, and will replace one of the players who does not have a backup in otherwise. If you use the traditional 9 player lineup when you're training 1 player, that substitute will replace your trainee.