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212376.5 in reply to 212376.4
Date: 3/9/2012 5:29:21 PM
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No that is not true.
Can someone find me the post where someone (possible Joseph Ka) made that chart with how much training a person gets depending on their age and staff etc...

Last edited by CoachSK at 3/9/2012 5:35:18 PM

From: yodabig

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Both the previous two posters were way off the mark in terms of their estimates. I haven't got the correct estimates handy so I wont quote the wrong thing either but what I will say i general is that training a player who is around 27 is very slow but when he is a critical player who you need to play in that position to get wins then you will be just as happy with his 2-3 pops a season as you will be with the 10-12 pops your 18 year old will get.

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If you sign up to contribute to the crowdsourced training analysis, there is a gloriously beautiful training rate versus age chart. See here for details on how to sign up. (203921.1)

The upshot from that: 26 year olds train quite slow, but if you're rounding out the last skills on a best or favorite player, it can be done.

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I am just trying to round out a few stats for best player which is 27. I am training smalls and would like a few pops in handling and passing with my center. I have the elastic effect in my favor so i am hoping for a pop or 2 in each to finish this season.

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I am guessing that all 3 pops were in different stats. I find it hard to believe that a 26 year old could pop that much unless each each of those stats were very close already

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Date: 3/10/2012 5:08:34 PM
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I am guessing that all 3 pops were in different stats. I find it hard to believe that a 26 year old could pop that much unless each each of those stats were very close already

It was in three different skills (JR, HAND, DR). They were all really by accident becase this guy is not a trainee for me. I only played him in the training position because I needed him there to make my lineup work against some teams I could beat. Otherwise, this player would not get training minutes.

Also, two of the three pops he got were in skills that were super low, so they've probably gotten secondary training in past years that had those skills about to pop.

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Date: 3/14/2012 8:39:52 AM
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here is my example of training an old guy

Xie Guanzheng (11323951) Shooting Guard Weekly salary: $ 61 677 Age: 27 Height: 6'2" / 188 cm Potential: MVP


thanks everyone told me to stop training him but i just dont think anyone had actually trained an old player before

it isnt as bad as everyone says

if an 18 yo gets 12 pops a season that is great

but if a 26-7 yo gets 4 pops a season that is taking things from wondrous 2 marvellous that is even better - xie has had js, jr, dr and stam this season (maybe stamina doesnt count) and has 6 pops last season (js, od, ha, dr, pa and id) and there are still a few weeks left 2 get the od pop - had 4 weeks of pressure without a pop, this week could be the 1!

its even better 2 see that the js & dr have popped twice at ages 26 and 27 so i can see how slow it is
13/5 od - popped
20/5 pa
27/5 pa
3/6 trained pa & dr popped
10/6 js
17/6 js popped js
24/6 js
1/7 js
8/7 od
15/7 od
22/7 js
29/7 js
5/8 js popped js so 5 weeks to get that js pop (about 40% of the speed of a young guy)
12/8 1on1
19/8 1on1
26/8 od
2/9 1on1 popped dr so a bit hard to say but 3 week 1on1 & 7 weeks js for the dr pop (looks like about 30% of the speed of a young guy)
9/9 od
16/9 stamina
23/9 js
30/9 js


after that was written

7/10 od - popped 5 weeks of training after the last od pop

all this was single pos where possible with a lev 6 trainer

so @ age 26 & 27 he had 2 pops in each of js, dr & od

& the very next week

10/14/2011 Passing for PG
Xie Guanzheng ↑popped↑ in Handling from wow to OMG.


maybe a handling pop isnt the most exciting but when u r 27 u take whateva thrills u can get :P

i thought i went through this already this season but i cant so ill do it again

the 28 week training history shows xie has had the following pops
js 2
jr 1
od 2
ha 2
dr 2
pa 1
id 1
st 1

thats 12 pops at age 26-7 making him a much better player forever


Last edited by abigfishy at 3/14/2012 8:45:11 AM

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and by the way i stopped single pos training him @ age 28

but i did a lot of 2 pos training where he still got mins

10/21/2011 One on One for PG / SG - trained nothing
10/28/2011 Rebounding for C / PF - trained nothing
11/4/2011 One on One for PG / SG- trained nothing
11/11/2011 One on One for PG / SG - trained nothing
11/18/2011 Pressure for PG - didn't train for 1st time since season 10 :(
11/25/2011 Pressure for PG - dindt train
12/2/2011 Outside Shooting for SG - didnt train
12/9/2011 Passing for PG - didnt train
12/16/2011 Jump Shot for Wingmen Xie Guanzheng ↑popped↑ in Jump Shot from OMG to you must be kidding me.
12/23/2011 One on One for PG / SG Xie Guanzheng ↑popped↑ in Driving from hot to sexy.


thats the 3rd js & dr pops @ ages 26-28

u can do it!

mostly been single pos since so not much training & no pops, if he gets a pop @ age 29 ill post it

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Just to reaffirm a past claim that training speed doesn't go down to absolute zero after 30 years old.... My 33 year old reserve just popped in rebounding after getting free throw training by a level 1 trainer.