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From: fewmit
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231038.5 in reply to 231038.2
Date: 11/27/2012 10:32:15 PM
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Question for those running, why do you believe you are a better candidate than the others, based on facts, and how do you plan to build our depth at the U21 level? Because looking through the database, it seems we don't have as many players on pace for the U21 team like we may have seen just a couple seasons ago.

1) What must people want in the U21 coach (OK, what I've wanted. No idea what all you rubes are into..) is someone knowledgeable about how our team has operated and why it's been a success, and with the energy to be very involved and focused for the entire 6 months of the term. I like what I've got to offer.

2) I agree, this may be starting to be an issue. You'll recall though that just last season that the season 20 team was the best ever. This year was a drop off, and magiker made great use of the roster he had. The pipeline doesn't seem to show a "season 20" class coming in the next year or so. The facts are, we have a somewhat stable user population in USA, we have a great scouting program, and we have some dubious on-site PR that tries to keep the team in the public's eye. What more can we do? On small thing I think we need to reemphasize what Rambo and others has said in the past: training a U21 player is possibly the best way for a V or IV manager to learn how to play the game at a higher level and improve and promote with good young players to boot. Now is a good time to figure out a way to start pitching that.

While we have had arguably the best U21 program running in the past few seasons, our national team has struggled to be as successful. A lot of this comes from people training players with bad secondaries that can be effective at the U21 level, but they won't be effective at the national team level with the bad secondaries, and secondary training can be too slow when the payers are older. Would you be willing to advise trainers to sacrifice some primary training early on in order to create better national team players, even if this means that the U21 team is not a championship contender?

So to back up a step, what we're talking about here is big men who's primary skills are pumped for the U21 team at the expense of everything else, because those are the type of big men needed for a LI U21 team. Then after U21 the players with remaining cap who may be NT candidates are deemed too expensive (or too slow) to cross train secondaries anymore because their high salaries require them to be used at position.

So I'm not buying this as an either/or deal you've laid it out to be. A good example is Beaucage, who got a good shot of secondary training after U21 is and now on the cusp of the NT. Granted, his secondaries still kinda suck, but they really sucked donkey before! It's not like you can't find people to train secondaries for NT players. There are many such managers who have done exactly this recently in the NBBA alone. Not that this works out all the time, but there is a 3rd way.

The real question here is what the the manager with the young stud wants with his player? If he wants to home grow his own NT player I would say God bless you, sir! Traineth secondaries until he literally passes out. If he wants to have a player who can do both then explain to him the training issues he faces. The NT and U21 coaches are in large part at the mercy of what managers are gonna do with their players no matter what we may ask. Those managers who are open to suggestions need to know all the options available to optimize their player. If he wants to maximize the chances of making U21, primariesprimariesprimaries. So, long story short, I may or may not advice said manager to train secondaries, but I'll definitely say stuff.

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231038.7 in reply to 231038.6
Date: 11/28/2012 4:09:00 PM
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Question for those who are asking the questions. Why are you leaving such open ended questions that require the candidates to respond in a book that a lot of people are too lazy to read?

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Date: 11/28/2012 4:27:23 PM
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The users that are really interested in the U21/NT want to know what their plans will be so they can make an educated vote. They don't want regular or vague answers.

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Date: 11/28/2012 9:00:54 PM
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Hi. My full name is Mickey LT McCoy Junior, but you can call me Mick. I know that a lot of you are going to vote for coco and that is fine. Your vote is your vote. You can choose but let me tell you the truth about me, and I mean all the truth.
My first season I loved this game. Even though my team was bad I just liked lots of stuff about it. Next season we did better. I still thought my team was good. Season 20 I finally made it to the playoffs. My chance to get out of my league but I blew it in 3 games. It was a good experience though. In season 21 I made the playoffs but loss the first game. I then went and got many great people. I will tell the truth to you about anything.
All I am asking for is just one small season to be a national team manager.

From: tough
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231038.10 in reply to 231038.1
Date: 11/28/2012 9:28:35 PM
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questions to people running:

Since with the Level of NT and U21 are different, how will you guys *make* the U21 Players *suitable* for the NT? Trying to say what will happen if the U21 Guys are not being trained properly? How will you guys show you got what it takes to BE the manager? Gamplanning? Players and skills and tactics debates? Will yall be taking some ideas from the Community? Or will stick with the Usual Dominant LI?

Sorry if these are stupid or already asked questions, but this is gonna decide who I vote for (so far leaning towards smallfrie/fewmit)


thanks

also for the McCoy guy, and D-Wade.......do you even know what these guys discuss about? Players' Skills? Player discussion and tactics? Just saying.......also a Q for McCoy: Why are you talking about yourself? I thought this was about the U21 NT? Where's all the "I will help improve.........." ?


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231038.12 in reply to 231038.11
Date: 11/28/2012 10:13:16 PM
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I will tell you what I will do. Everybody knows that the USA in the real world with Jordan and other players will always win the championship. I want that to happen to us. I will make sure I see every possible player that is decent, good, great, or amazing. I will help tea,s have a role too. I will make sure they fell like they are a big thing in this. I want everyone to be involved

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231038.13 in reply to 231038.12
Date: 11/28/2012 10:21:40 PM
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I will copy/paste until I run out of ridiculously over priced copier ink and Elmers Non-toxic Glue Sticks (Non-scented, I find that the scent takes away from the glue itself, which is a quality product without the help of gimmicks)!!


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231038.14 in reply to 231038.13
Date: 11/28/2012 10:22:47 PM
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What is that for

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231038.15 in reply to 231038.14
Date: 11/28/2012 10:25:45 PM
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Elmer's Glue Sticks? They are for adhering things effectively without the icky mess of liquid glue. The non-toxicity assures its safety among users of all ages, and its blue color is a fun addition to an overall splendid product. Although as I stated before, the scenting is unecessary. Elmers has no reason to make the same mistakes those low-lifes over at Crayola have.

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