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23340.5 in reply to 23340.4
Date: 4/8/2008 8:43:33 AM
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in italy a player saw the same thing.
another player in his league played 5times CT with similar ratings

this is the post with the five games

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Date: 4/8/2008 9:07:19 AM
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what do you mean by no apparent effect? their enthusiasm is still getting lowered, so their ratings are worse off because of it.


I mean that sometimes it's not sure wether the team played CT or Normal. When teams have high enthusiasm because they played TIE all the time, it might look like a CT when they 'normal' for the first time with around 10 enthusiasm. When you just play normal you can play another game with 8 (high), then another with 7, and then a CT with 6(high). Depending on the home/away matches the difference might be very small. (f.e if 8 was an away match and 7 a home game and CT 6 an away match again the ratings would be very close to eachother)

So it could be that we think they played CT, while they didn't.

But this is just a guess, it might be a bug too, I noticed this before, and I did have a some doubts about it. But the problem is that only the teams who played the game will know the exact setting of the other team.




Last edited by BB-Patrick at 4/8/2008 9:08:42 AM

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Date: 4/8/2008 9:16:41 AM
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What you say was true before the changes. Now, in the box-score page it is clearly indicated which team played with more attitude. The only doubt is whether the match was CT vs Normal or Normal vs TIE.
In these cases I posted before, I thought it could be that the other teams were playing TIE, but after 5 matches it has no sense to me, and I follow very closely the behaviour of all the teams in my group. It is particularly non sense to play TIE in a TV match, for example.

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Date: 4/8/2008 9:24:16 AM
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What you say was true before the changes. Now, in the box-score page it is clearly indicated which team played with more attitude. The only doubt is whether the match was CT vs Normal or Normal vs TIE.
In these cases I posted before, I thought it could be that the other teams were playing TIE, but after 5 matches it has no sense to me, and I follow very closely the behaviour of all the teams in my group. It is particularly non sense to play TIE in a TV match, for example.


I don't agree with this. I played TIE almost every game this season, ok I lost some, but still nobody could guess wether I played TIE or not, since they don't know my real potential (even with the new changes). If I play a normal and the other team played TIE, my ratings will be unusual high, so most of them will think that I played CT and he played normal, while it was a normal vs TIE.
I guess more teams start to manage their enthusiasm from the start of the season, that's why it's that hard to guess if it was a TIE or a Normal.

Not playing TIE because it's a TV game makes no sense imo, if I think I will win the game when I play TIE, I will play TIE. That has nothing to do with the fact that it's a TV game. But ok that's another dicussion which isn't really ontopic.

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Date: 4/8/2008 9:49:51 AM
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I understand what you say, but just look at the score box of your last match.
Above the statistic tables, there is a sentences that says that your opponent attitude was stronger than yours, therefore you played TIE and the other normal, or you normal and the other CT. In your second last match, you and your opponent played with the same attitude, and in your third, forth and fifth last matches you TIE. It is also possible that all your opponents playt CT, but I bet they didn´t. Are you aware of this sentences that is now included in the box score?

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23340.10 in reply to 23340.9
Date: 4/8/2008 10:04:35 AM
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Lol yes I know about that sentence I even translated it hehe.
But when teams TIE a lot you will mainly see "same effort level", so you don't know wether it was normal-normal or tie-tie (or CT-CT), only if you played that match. Then if I have 12 enthusiasm and I play normal and the other team plays TIE again, my ratings are huge and the sentence is "put more into the game than". It's possible to think that I played CT there, because a normal with 10-12 boosts your ratings a lot comparing to a TIE with 8-9.

In my league there are not that much teams yet who manage their enthusiasm, as you see. But in leagues with better managers and in NT's you will see the sentence "same effort level" more than in my league. Now you know that I TIE'd most of the time because it's almost impossible that 4 teams in a row played CT vs my team, but when all played TIE, you wouldn't have known wether I played normal or TIE.


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23340.11 in reply to 23340.10
Date: 4/8/2008 10:19:05 AM
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Yes, I have got you point. In my case, I know very well my league group, so I don´t expect anything similar to this (they are soooo predictable..).
Look at the two examples of my post to BB-Forrest, particularly the second.
I hope you have got also my point... if you can play several consecutive CT without a clear drawback, it does not look very logic, and it could be fixed.

Even I don´t want to know the answer, just to point out something I have seen, which could be improved.
Thanks for your comments.

Last edited by Emilio at 4/8/2008 11:33:54 AM

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23340.12 in reply to 23340.11
Date: 4/9/2008 12:52:16 AM
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i'll take a look at the two examples, and the code. but when you CT, do you not see your enthusiasm go down? if you aren't seeing CT affecting your own enthusiasm i'd be concerned, but I think that is working as designed.. and so i'm tending to think that it is simply an issue of you don't actually knowing what is going on with the CT/TIE decisions in games that are not your own.... but again.. i'll take a closer look when i have more time.

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Date: 4/11/2008 10:06:31 AM
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I think the point is that you can only really know for sure what the other team played if you are one of the teams playing because you know what you went.

It is very unlikely consecutive CTs would be successful I CTed my cup tournament and then lost a few games afterward but playing TIE.

Keeping good team form and high enthusiasm is a very good strategy for winning. But neither are going to be reflected in the ratings.

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Date: 4/11/2008 12:46:23 PM
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Probably you are right. This is the more logical answer to my post.
It is so logical that I also have thought about it before posting.

But the point is:

By playing CT you loose enthusiasme.
Playing CT makes you more "lucky" but next match you loose defense and rebound.
If you play CT again, you will be again more "lucky" (more or less than before???), and maybe this "more luck" can compensate the lower defense and rebound.

I just wonder whether this is true or not, and I expect an answer like this: "You are wrong, I played two consecutives CT and it was a disaster!".

I hope someone understand my doubt...

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From: LA-Niko

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Date: 4/11/2008 1:05:24 PM
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There is no "luck buildup" as far as I know or have ever experienced.

Playing CT temporarily boosts a teams effectiveness. The following game the team will lose effectiveness. The level of boost to their effectiveness and the drop is based on the level of enthusiasm.

There is no cumulative effect of CTs. That would be silly. I am sure the games are correct. If anyone experiences anything in their own team that seems to backup this "luck" theory then come back with it.

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