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214 users is not enough for current league structure in Sweden. New users will have to play in a really inactive third league for many seasons and either they play old teams that are too good for first 3-4 seasons or they play inactive teams that they will beat easily even if they created the team a week ago. If you lack a good team, e.g. allocated to a high III division then you can get promoted fastly but getting promoted after 2-3 seasons to division II is not nice. Even if there are many inactive teams in division II these inactive teams are usually way too good for you. They have had money to bring in 20k guys or so gradually and even with poor game shape they will win the games for them.

The unevenness of teams are really not good. Over 10 seasons ago we actually managed to fill some leagues in division IV. The experience from users that started at that time was good. They thought it was nice to have a first season where you could win your matches and get to know the game. Having just 2 division II and 4 division III would make these leagues much more even and the fourth division would be a playground for new teams that rather soon would be able to move up to division II and have the challenge there.

That Sweden would merge with another country is something I certainly do not favor. In that sense I certainly think that you are right about country having too many users. In competing basket manager game they discussed a Nordic (Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland and Denmark) league due to few active users in each of the countries but I think that it was good that this never happened.

Still, I am in favor of merging smaller countries in a suitable way. Can't be funny to play in a country with just 6 users or so. I have tried that in other manager games and you get bored by such a small community. In rather decent football manager game we got about 20 Swedish teams and that really kills the interest in the game no matter how good it is. And for new teams there you really get a terribly boring situation. It would take them at least 6 seasons to get close to the 12-14 old teams and the other teams they will never or very rarely play ...

I buy your arguments and maybe is this a small problem in bigger countries like USA. In Sweden, however, we have a really big problem with teams getting stucked in second league. I could also see an alternative where number of teams are reduced from 16 to 12. I do not favor it though because I very much like that as it is now.

Re-drawing leagues in divisions is nothing that I recommend. I think that most times actually likes to play same teams season by season so that you don't have to analyze other teams more. As it is now you have 5 new teams per season of 15 opponents so you do not lack new opponents.

Right, but as I was saying, if you instead change it to a power of two rather than power of four, teams will be stuck in those series even longer, as only three teams will turn over instead of five each season. Redrawing isn't an ideal fix, either, and I'm not sure I'd actually want that, but what it would do is at least ensure that there isn't one league that's impossible to compete in for a new team while another new team may end up in a league where they pound bots and promote to I.

Right, but as I was saying, if you instead change it to a power of two rather than power of four, teams will be stuck in those series even longer, as only three teams will turn over instead of five each season.

I don't believe in only two teams being relegated. I suggested 2 teams to promote. If only two teams should relegate then the size of the leagues needs to be changed as well, logically to 12 teams for each division. Then suddenly things would change a lot and I would rather suggest a factor of 3 for each division, i.e. 36 teams in second division instead of current 64 and so on.

It is not optimal with two teams promoting but that is at least something I prefer to get fewer teams at each level. It could still be important to win playoff final due to higher prize money and similar so the value of winning your division could still be there. That would of course lead to teams wanting to avoid second spot as they get punished with a smaller award.

I don't have an optimal solution and that is also why the suggestion thread is good, i.e. so that you can improve each others suggestions. I only know that I am not happy with current situation in Sweden where teams are likely to quit because there are too few challenging games.

I agree that if we users are allowed to create a second team and enter a league in another country that the game time should be the one in that country. I see no good argument for altering game time for some matches,