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242411.5 in reply to 242411.3
Date: 6/1/2013 10:31:28 PM
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Once your players get to a certain level on FT's it really isn't worth training anymore as the law of diminishing returns kicks in. A player with mediocre (5) will generally shoot between 65-70%. A player with respectable (7) will shoot 70-75%. At that point you probably need to train FT's for an entire season to get them to shoot consistantly over 80%.

If your entire team is at 76%, I would either keep training my best trainees or start training stamina in the off weeks

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242411.6 in reply to 242411.1
Date: 6/2/2013 6:30:44 AM
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my experience is the same -- there is a variance. for some players, 5 or 6 will produce the same results as skill levels twice that.

my motivation for FTs is to make sure i do not lose a game in which i am leading in the final minutes and the other team begins hacking. i would say the minimum goal for FTs is to make sure every player who could be on the floor the final 90 seconds of a game can hit the FTs, especially the PG.


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242411.7 in reply to 242411.6
Date: 6/2/2013 1:51:52 PM
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I'm with you on that motivation for training FT's, but to really get to the point where no one is a FT liability I think you'd have to train them up past Tremendous. I'll get there some day, but it'll take a while since I don't train FT more than once per season.

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242411.8 in reply to 242411.7
Date: 6/2/2013 5:28:54 PM
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I'm with you on that motivation for training FT's, but to really get to the point where no one is a FT liability I think you'd have to train them up past Tremendous.


To me, that's just a lot of wasted training which could be put to better use and I believe that's why you started this thread in the first place.

Once a player gets over 70% he's not a FT liability. Anyone trained to respectable (7) will shoot better than 70% given a large enough sample size. Heck I've got a guy at proficent (9) and he's shooting 89% this season. Not sure why you would want to train players up to a 13 for what would amount to a handful more FT's made by your entire team over an entire season.


Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 6/2/2013 5:30:38 PM

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242411.9 in reply to 242411.8
Date: 6/2/2013 7:36:02 PM
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If I was able to pop my average FT% from 75 to 80, that would basically average out to one more point per game, roughly projecting I shoot 20 FT's per contest. Very few of my games are decided by one point. Knowing that it would take a whole lot of training to get my team shooting 80% from the line, and that those same weeks would be much better spent training primary and secondary skills on my trainees, I believe I'm landing squarely on the side of the fence where I'm only going to train FT if my training minutes are seriously messed up in a week and I don't want to train stamina up any higher.

Looking at my team's FT%'s again, my three lowest FT shooters have ratings of Strong, Strong, and Prolific, whereas my three best FT shooters have ratings of Proficient, Proficient, and Prolific. That's a gap of about 25 percentage points with nearly the same ratings. Interesting.

From: redcped
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242411.10 in reply to 242411.9
Date: 6/11/2013 12:45:03 AM
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I just found a guy on the TL who is 0 for 581 in his career on FT:

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/player/13378434/careerstats.aspx

So, the answer to the question "How bad is atrocious?" can certainly be answered definitively.

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242411.12 in reply to 242411.11
Date: 6/11/2013 11:11:32 AM
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Atrocious has sublevels though so atrocious can give you everywhere from 0-15% or something like that.


I guess we have found the 0% sublevel with that guy then. :P

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242411.14 in reply to 242411.10
Date: 6/11/2013 5:19:02 PM
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I understand its to make people spend time training free throws but ive never understood stats like that . 0for 581 , im pretty sure a baby in a pram would score at least one if given a basketball and allowed to flail away nearly 600 times.

From: dubertle

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242411.15 in reply to 242411.13
Date: 6/11/2013 7:13:40 PM
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That is ridiculous!

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