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24281.5 in reply to 24281.4
Date: 4/14/2008 1:59:52 AM
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I don't think you'll see a situation where minutes for a player can be virtually predetermined before a game starts.

I think the BBs do want to see an element of difficulty in training.

The problem is that the degree of difficulty right now is near to impossible. A starter is supposed to get ~35 minutes, though through a combination of a blowout and foul trouble he can get as little as 10. It is too big a swing for something which is completely random. There is also no way to correct for this, since it's the last game of the week.

The repercussions of having messy training is that it is harming people's ability to supply quality players on the market. If you train 2 positions, you probably want to retain 2 starters and 2 backups for your team. This means you really have 1 player to sell (or 2 if you choose to give them less than optimal training per week, which means they train slower). Will there be enough players circulating around in the long run? I am not completely sure.


I do think that training ties into the overall economic strategy of the BB team.

I'm not even going to begin to speculate as to what the long term strategy is, but I can assure you that everything the BB team does, however minute, is done with an eye on how it will affect the economy.

It's possible that the BBs want training this way to keep players from training to extremely high levels. I don't know, but if they do make a change, it will be for the long-term benefit of the economy.

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24281.6 in reply to 24281.5
Date: 4/14/2008 2:21:09 AM
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I am sure they do. However, speculating about the long run is my profession, so I'll do it.

As of now, it takes two seasons to create 2 reasonably skilled players for sale, given all the suboptimalities of the system. This is a gross estimation, but I am sure it is somewhat accurate. Assuming all teams do something similar, they are all looking to stock the remaining 3 positions, so the count isn't there. There will be a chronic shortage of players no matter what.

Of course, this is all irrelevant if the plan is to have the game stocked with an endless amount of players within the strong-proficient range, since a lot of teams seem to go for turnover rather than quality at this point. Which simply means that 10 levels of skill will be remaining vastly unused

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24281.7 in reply to 24281.4
Date: 4/14/2008 6:05:52 AM
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The repercussions of having messy training is that it is harming people's ability to supply quality players on the market. If you train 2 positions, you probably want to retain 2 starters and 2 backups for your team. This means you really have 1 player to sell (or 2 if you choose to give them less than optimal training per week, which means they train slower). Will there be enough players circulating around in the long run? I am not completely sure.


And this maybe will help us to avoid too many Divines in Market as much as possible...

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24281.8 in reply to 24281.7
Date: 4/14/2008 11:47:20 AM
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The repercussions of having messy training is that it is harming people's ability to supply quality players on the market. If you train 2 positions, you probably want to retain 2 starters and 2 backups for your team. This means you really have 1 player to sell (or 2 if you choose to give them less than optimal training per week, which means they train slower). Will there be enough players circulating around in the long run? I am not completely sure.


And this maybe will help us to avoid too many Divines in Market as much as possible...

Sure. When there are barely any players on the market, then there are barely any divines too.

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24281.9 in reply to 24281.1
Date: 4/15/2008 2:16:46 AM
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I won't change anything which make it attractive to loose in the national Cup. Also i could imagine, that some guys play in their friendly to win, because i got games like that with friends in a similiar game and maybe and i think one scrimmage like that at the beginning of this season.

What i like to see is a chanche of the blow out rule for all game, so that the coach don't let the 1st backups play but try to spare the minutes average - so when a starter got big foultrouble and less minutes he would come late in the game on court instead oof letting the backup staying on court.
So the minutes becomes a little bit more predictable, but their are no advances in friendly and you also have a kick in viewing a game and hoping your minute calculation is right.

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24281.10 in reply to 24281.9
Date: 4/15/2008 2:31:23 AM
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I don't see this slight optimization in training as more attractive than the income, experience, and prestige of the national cup. But then again, this is just me.

You can still play the scrimmage to win. Just set your players accordingly.

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24281.11 in reply to 24281.10
Date: 4/15/2008 2:34:08 AM
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but i i see a game who i could win, i want things like foul trouble(especially at the oppponent) in it :)

And all the away games @botarena don't bring money ;) And home games me - forget it^^

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24281.12 in reply to 24281.1
Date: 4/18/2008 10:48:26 AM
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Background: It is put forth pretty clearly that scrimmages only serve one purpose: to give minutes to players that hadn't played a lot in league games in a particular week. As such, they bring no revenue and do not affect enthusiasm and fans.

I read some reactions to this post, but not all, therefor I am not sure that what I write is not written yet, but I didn't see it so far.

I think there is another reason for scrimages, to be able to play with taktics, line-ups, and to see how the GE reacts to certain things. Maybe this is even the main reason why there are scrimages (do not read: main reason scrimages are used for, but do read meant for)

I do like the idea to be able to tweak minutes, but always leave the option available to tell the coach to play as if it was a league game. So there is still this room for experiments.

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24281.13 in reply to 24281.12
Date: 4/18/2008 2:25:54 PM
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Maybe this is even the main reason why there are scrimages (do not read: main reason scrimages are used for, but do read meant for)

My assertion was based on the following quote from the BB rules:
The primary purpose of a scrimmage is to give your team an extra day of training and experience, so try to schedule them every week, if possible.

Now, of course, they _are_ a way to try different tactics, though these will be limited due to the need to put specific players in specific training position. Also, they will never completely mimic competitive games due to the fact you can't use TIE/CT.

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