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Well, my honest suggestion is to change nothing, because there is no problem here that needs to be fixed. The only problem is with the human players who refuse to train free throws and then cry because their players can't shoot free-throws.

The trade-off from having to train different skills is part of the tactical aspect of the game. Making it so people don't need to train free-throws simplifies the game even more than it already is and removes both decisions and challenges from the game.

If you want your great jump shooter to also be a great free throw shooter, train free throws. It is really is as easy as that, and therefore nothing needs to be changed. If you don't feel it is worth it to take a week or two each season to train your entire team (rather than just the 2-3 trainees), that's your choice, but then don't complain that your guys can't shoot free-throws or have drastic performance fall-offs at the end of games. You've chosen to make them that way.

Well, my honest suggestion is to change nothing, because there is no problem here that needs to be fixed.

It's not a problem but his suggestion makes enough sense to start a petition.

The only problem is with the human players who refuse to train free throws and then cry because their players can't shoot free-throws.

Nobody is crying, just saying it's common sense to train FT while training JS thus making his suggestion good. It's another matter if you like it or not.

Making it so people don't need to train free-throws simplifies the game even more

I think manager that wants his player to have high FT still needs to train it to earn it, yes, but small boost from JS training wouldn't simplify the game that drastically.

If you don't feel it is worth it to take a week or two each season to train your entire team (rather than just the 2-3 trainees), that's your choice, but then don't complain

I don't see where he complained. He suggested something but you sound like you want to argue with somebody. ;)

Calm down, cheers ;)

I agree with this to a certain degree but it is also very hard to have to take weeks off to train free throws if you are trying to develope a U21 player. It seems to me like if your player starts out with atrocious free throws, they are stuck with <awful free throws until they are at least 22. Quite frankly it just doesn't make sense that players with Wondrous jump shooting would have such bad free throw shooting and that is why some people complain about it. Generally when there are so many people suggesting a slight modification on something, it is a bit of a problem. They don't just complain and want to argue and discuss it with others for the heck of it.

... it is also very hard to have to take weeks off to train free throws if you are trying to develope a U21 player. It seems to me like if your player starts out with atrocious free throws, they are stuck with <awful free throws until they are at least 22.

If you want more than 3 FT on a guy, then train it. The very fact that it's hard to do shows that the choice is an interesting strategic question. And if a strategic question isn't hard, then it's boring. So, You can either train FT, and accept slightly lower main skills, or you can train other stuff and accept slightly lower FT. That's a hard choice to make sometimes. But the hard choices in BB (arena versus buying players, trainees versus veterans, old fart versus young guys, focus on training, or cup, or league wins) are exactly what make it a great sports GM simulator.

And just because there are some users who would like this change, doesn't mean it's a good one. You could probably get a good fraction of users to agree that training should be 5 times faster, or that TV money should be 10 times higher. That wouldn't make for a better game.

No, worries, I am completely calm. It is funny that you seem to be trying to cast a negative image by saying that I'm trying to argue with someone, when arguing with me is all your post does. ;)

I do find the original suggestion to include both complaining and crying/whining, but of course that is my opinion of it. This "suggestion" has been made just about every season or two since I began playing BuzzerBeater - so that's nearly 15 seasons and 4 real years. Nothing new has been proposed here.

Btw, it's not common sense that that training JS should train FT - it's just an opinion. Training in the game is completely artificial, so the notion of "common sense" or "in the real world" aren't that valid of arguments. Common sense says that a person doesn't need to play PG or SG to train their outside defense. Common sense also says that a real basketball player would be training free throws quite regularly, as opposed to never.

Training choices are one of the many strategic/tactical decisions a manager has to make. Many people already don't train free throws, claiming that it just isn't worth it. If that's their decision fine, but then they need to accept and deal with the consequences of the decision, which is lousy free throw shooters. Many of the good managers seem to be fine with accepting that trade off. If this suggestion were implemented, it makes it even less likely that people would train free throws - which goes a long way toward removing a decision from game.

Last edited by Alec Burke at 12/22/2013 5:49:27 PM

I would say JS has nothing to do with FT. It is a rarity to see a player who jumps on a free-throw attempt.

I would say JS has nothing to do with FT.

Seriously? Some people don't even get off the ground when they shoot.

Squaring the shoulders, elbow angle, snap of the wrist, rolling off the fingers, judging the distance to the front of the rim, amount of arc... etc...

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 12/22/2013 6:48:12 PM

Even better you can shoot free throws underhand.

Seriously it would be very easy to make free throws a secondary training of JS. No-one would mind, no-one would complain. It would be super easy and would make the game a bit more realistic.

I'd complain, but then again, I'm an inveterate pain in the ass.

I understand both sides, but I still voted no. Stamina and FT trainings are what they are, and I don't really mind. Realism aside, it's a tactical thing, if you want to maximize your trainee, you must leave stamina and free throws untrained until 27 LOL I'm not opposed to changing, but I don't mind the current system.