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It seems as though the consensus is that I want to compete with, or have beginners compete with, D1 or up managers. I don't. They are not in my league/division. One of the threads was talking about BB losing players. A main reason someone quits is because they aren't enjoying themselves. I happen to be hardcore and am willing to stick it out. There is not enough hardcore demographic to keep the game growing. You want to promote a good time. I am trying to offer insight in to the thought process of a new player. When someone is looking to sign up for a basketball manager game the vast majority are thinking about the NBA and want it to be like the NBA.
They want to;
Trade players, draft players, manage a roster, manage contracts (possibly with a salary cap), win games, see progress. No one expects these things to happen right away and all of these things can be done over time (i.e. like a clash of clans where the higher your level, the longer it takes to improve) but when you're a new player on this game and you can't;
Trade/afford players (no one wants a 6th man, they want an MVP), win games, see progress (because training can take too many weeks which is why one of the Frequently Asked Question is 'Why didn't my players bump?'), you aren't getting what you want or were looking for.
I want to say that I do like BB and some of the aspects like the arena and the economy and staff. The one thing I would say is that the current system, which is run by auction, is whoever has the most cash wins. No one can outbid Bill Gates. If you have the most money you can buy the best staff, you can buy the best players whether they are old or trainees, you can have the best arena allowing you to have access to even more money. This is why I suggested giving new players a little extra cash. This also makes the game a little more forgiving if you make a mistake as a new manager.
Maybe BB should have a beginners league where everyone in it is less than 3 seasons old. I have a manager who has been around since season 13 and another since season 17 in my division. No new manager can compete with that level of knowledge or roster talent. If new players are going to get thrown in to the fire, they need an edge or perk so that they aren't destroyed every time they log on.
Things like slowly work up and learn some of the more challenging aspects of the game (i.e. economy, recognizing good and bad talent, training) are never going to be attained if managers don't stick around.
There is a saying we all know 'you learn from your mistakes'. You have to allow people to make mistakes and not get killed for them. Players will just leave. Let them learn and promote them to stay.
None of this is up for debate. Nothing I've said isn't fact as those were the things I was looking for, questions I asked, aspects I wanted or situations I found myself in.
I posted a suggestion from one perspective, which got responses from what appears to be some of the more seasoned players. I believe that one day I'll be in your shoes and possibly think the way you do, but for now try to think outside of your current standing and look at some suggestions from another perspective.

LTJ

Last edited by LTJ at 7/25/2014 2:00:41 AM

I like your passion

I like your passion too. Also your ability to communicate your thoughts/beliefs. I'm positive you'll do well here.

However, even though I've been in the game three years, I can remember what it was like to be new. I didn't expect to be competing immediately, even with teams in my own league. I was however grateful for the extra cash I received early on. I just had no idea how to spend it.

The biggest thing for a new user is to learn the game. Only by doing this can you progress. I think giving more money to someone who doesn't know what to do with it would only make matters worse. Far too many new users get ripped off on the transfer market as it is. Giving them more money will only see seasoned users make more at their expense.

The best thing that anyone can do for a newbie is direct them here: http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thread=144856&m=1

A better suggestion than more money would be better starting players, something I haven't really thought about enough to go into further.

Good luck with your efforts.

Stick to the salary floor, and build up your arena.

Also, as the new manager, use the first 16 weeks to get cash, since you don't have to pay the salary floor.

My salary floor is $0. Are you suggesting I keep/acquire the cheapest players possible, punt my first season and start with nothing but cash and a few draft picks? Is it your opinion that this the best strategy for a new player?

My salary floor is $0. Are you suggesting I keep/acquire the cheapest players possible, punt my first season and start with nothing but cash and a few draft picks? Is it your opinion that this the best strategy for a new player?

Yup :) Just keep 11-12 of your original players and learn to manage minutes/game shape. Experiment with tactics and stuff.. You can get few cheap trainees as well.

You need to invest everything into your arena.

In your second season, you can start playing around with player purchases/sales. But stick to the salary floor and don't waste a lot of money. Also, continue investing most of your money into the arena.

My salary floor is $0. Are you suggesting I keep/acquire the cheapest players possible, punt my first season and start with nothing but cash and a few draft picks? Is it your opinion that this the best strategy for a new player?

I would suggest that you look for cheap players who have average or respectable for pretty much every skill - not just their primaries, but their secondaries as well. Everything. And then if you train players well, manage GS and TIE every game, put money into your arena and build for the future, as long as you always get players with those good secondary skills, you'll be competitive well beyond what your salary looks like it should be.

well said gullyfoyle.

we all went through the same economics, and we learned through experience, no matter how difficult that might have been, and experience is always the best teacher.give kids a bigger allowance and and all they would do is spend it on trivial things not save it or spend it wisely.

besides new managers have the new manager bonus and as gullyfoyle said no floor salaries in their first few weeks.

if a new manager is wise, he saves money, train at least 2 potential trainees as his team's foundation, swallow losses in his first season, build his arena, then hope to contend in his lower leagues from season 2 to 4.

thats the cusus honorum of the BB world

LTJ

your salary floor is zero , and thats one advantage of new managers, you only pay the exact salary of your current players and not the league's salary floor. this is possible for the your first few weeks as a manager.

i am only in my 4th season, and i rebuilt my team on season 3. ( i joined mid season 1, spent all my money buying old players with decent skill sets) , then won my league in just my second season, but my core players were all 34 yrs old and up. Once i got promoted to division 3, i rudely found out that my core players were not enough, so i sold them while i still can, and started buying 18 to 20 year old players, so i tanked division 3 to get back to division 4. but the bigger economy of division 3 enabled me to build my arena to about an additional 1000 seats while i was being killed in division 3.

now am back to division 4, with an arena 0f 6500 ( and still building), having 4 great trainees ages 19 and 20, and loving to train the right way, as BB really emphasizes. I could go back to division 3 again after this season, but now i stick to my young players, get killed again in season 5 of division 3, while building my arena to at least the 8500 seat level.

Then go back down to division 4 again in season 6, with a monster arena of at least 10000 by season 6' end, and with my 4 trainees on skill sets of 12 to 15 on their primaries and having acceptable secondary skills, thus by season 7 when i go back up to division 3 i am staying their for good, up to the 10th season where i can now contend to win division 3 and aiming for division 2.



so as you can see, take your losses and lumps, Passionate players like you will last in this game, new players who quickly losses focus, no matter how smart or passionate they may be in the start is not fitted for BB.

we grow trees for manager in BB, not mushrooms who pop after a thunderstorm and withers thereafter.