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From: Knecht

To: RiP
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276170.8 in reply to 276170.5
Date: 1/20/2016 3:37:28 AM
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That's the type of thought process that we would like to avoid. Don't poke the bear and you'll never run into any issues. That applies to everyone.


What "poking the bear" really means is too vague. The two posts following your answer could be seen as taunting and spam. Certainly offtopic. If the "right" user would have posted them, those would at least have been deleted and maybe a temporary ban issued.

I understand that there needs to be some "enough is enough"-policy, but in most cases the rulings seem to be pushing it a bit.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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276170.10 in reply to 276170.9
Date: 1/20/2016 9:19:22 AM
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I really do not want to go "Michael Kohlhaas" on this topic, but I am pretty sure you know there is a bit more to this.

According to what you said and what I experienced, because there were users that tried to derail the thread, there should be a "general" warning. As soon somebody posts sthg. offtopic/against the rules, he/she should receive a fine according to the internal catalouge. Do I understand correctly?

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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276170.11 in reply to 276170.10
Date: 1/20/2016 11:27:27 AM
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In the last few months I got the impression, that censorship in these forums has gone too far and there is almost no room left to post criticism, in whatever form.

Don't poke the bear and you'll never run into any issues.

What "poking the bear" really means is too vague.

You guys are both right. What “poking the bear” means is anything a moderator wants it to mean. He can call it “disagreeing with a moderator” and suspend you for it. Been there, done that. Just never disagree with a moderator and you should be okay.

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276170.13 in reply to 276170.12
Date: 1/20/2016 2:30:31 PM
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@Mike Franks
Just never disagree with a moderator and you should be okay.

So you mean that everyone who has a different opinion than a moderator will have a problem?
That's not what I said. Some moderators allow some arguments, but to be entirely safe a user cannot disagree openly with a moderator.


In the rules is not written somewhere that you are not allowed to argue with the moderators. So none of them will ever ban you for that reason.
Untrue, based on my first-hand experience.

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276170.15 in reply to 276170.14
Date: 1/20/2016 7:44:09 PM
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Some moderators allow some arguments, but to be entirely safe a user cannot disagree openly with a moderator.
So if i will say that LI is the best system and you will disagree I will fine you? I believe not. So I suppose you mean this
- Discussing staff decisions (BBs/GMs/Mods). Please e-mail appeals@buzzerbeater.com with your complaint.

This is written in the rules so in case you will violate it you have to expect that a GM will act.

True based on the evidences.... B)

Yes, and that is the part that a moderator can and has used capriciously to silence something he didn't like. True, based on the evidence. In summary, a user is completely safe only as long as he doesn't disagree with a moderator. Otherwise, he takes his chances.

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