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Date: 3/15/2023 7:35:44 AM
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Is that suggestion from coach Parrot?

I don't have excel so I have not been able to use it, hence my usual regime is 1v1 to jack up his DR for OD elastics, then train OD. Since OD also gives ID training, and 1v1 increases IS (which I assume would give ID a positive elastic pull), I have always thought that ID could be put off for later. How does my training plan stack up against yours in terms of speed?

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Date: 3/15/2023 8:22:03 AM
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It's based on a training guide I got my hands on recently.

I'm not sure who put it together and if it's outdated or not but you can check it out here: (https://docs.google.com/document/d/16kvxJiABku7x4-JN1iI5Kc...)

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Date: 3/15/2023 9:48:03 AM
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Thanks! That's definitely a useful article.

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Date: 3/17/2023 8:15:58 PM
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If you want to maximize the benefit of SF training I highly recommend doing Inside Defense (C) at least until All Star Break, and then follow that up with some 1 on 1 Forwards to gain skill in your Driving/Inside Shot/Jump Shot/Handling. Do that until he is close to turning 20 and then jack up his OD with Pressure (PG). I followed that plan and was able to get +52 Skill Points on my former U21 player last season (Lorenzo Shipman) who also played dominantly in my Utopia league.

Doing the Inside D first gets it up to an adequate level to where he won't be a liability and when you get to Outside Def. training he'll become a superb defender which is difficult for even higher league SFs.

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Date: 10/16/2023 6:55:33 PM
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Great recommendation! Should ID be the first thing to be trained or get some 1v1F first, then some ID, then go back to 1v1F and OD?

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Date: 10/17/2023 11:27:48 AM
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I personally like ID on the shorter players, definitely could go 1v1 /OD too, but right now on my SF trainee in utopia I've finally switched to 1v1 and I have his ID already at a pretty high level.

Training ID first means that now you won't have to do it as much when he gets older, so I'm a big fan of ID, then 1v1, OD, and then back to ID again if you so desire.

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Date: 10/17/2023 7:23:37 PM
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I was a bit unsure on the ID first, since many are apologists of getting as much pops as possible due to % being higher thanks to gym and yt, so I always doubted if it was effective to do ID first and sacrifice some TSP in the beggining, but your experience certainly will make me try your method instead, thank you!

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Date: 10/18/2023 3:43:35 PM
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I personally like ID on the shorter players, definitely could go 1v1 /OD too, but right now on my SF trainee in utopia I've finally switched to 1v1 and I have his ID already at a pretty high level.

Training ID first means that now you won't have to do it as much when he gets older, so I'm a big fan of ID, then 1v1, OD, and then back to ID again if you so desire.


I am training 3 SF that are now 135 tsp with 25y.
my plan was
1vs1
IS
OD/ID using all the elastic i created with high HN and IS and alternate to maintan the salary low
and 1 pas a season from 22y

It is clear they had no defenses untill 21/22 years, but in 2 seasons they reached good levels

I am curious to know, why training ID first is better. Only to be a bit more competitive when he is young?
I guess the way I did maximise the elastic effect
Please share your reasons


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Date: 10/18/2023 8:30:15 PM
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My personal guess for ID is it allows for it to be trained much much faster in early ages instead of older ages for not so tall players (208cm max).

With ID out of the way, and 1v1F training quite fast, plus the elastic effect from handling being quite high for OD, it can give you an edge over doing ID later. I guess it depends mostly on the height as well. ID first would be more beneficial for a player who is 198cm, and ID later would be more beneficial for a player who is 208cm.

But your plan seems to have yielded amazing results, so congratulations for that and good luck on your cup!


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Date: 10/24/2023 5:23:11 PM
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Yeah I'm sure someone could sit down and do the math based on training estimates people have come up with, but I see both ways having benefits.

ID first benefits are:
1. Less weeks you have to train your SF at C which can be difficult
2. ID gives a strong elastic to IS which can be nice to set up early
3. ID early will make your trainee a more viable defender throughout their training

1v1 first (and ID later down the road)
1. Maximum extra pops from youth trainer
2. Set up strong elastics early on
3. IS can even be a small elastic for training ID later
4. Might be faster overall due to maximizing YT extra pops

So I think both are viable and like you said, it might depend on the player's height for what you decide to do.

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