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77169.5 in reply to 77169.4
Date: 2/27/2009 5:29:15 AM
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Okay... that helped alot... but now I have one more question... I have very good guards... skilled both in Jump Shot and Jump Range, and both of them are allrounders (one of them has all skills >average). I have this PF/SF that is good in IS and JS. I have one solid SF and I have a great center, but his main skills are rebounding and inside defence, but he is poor in IS (proficient). What tactic do you think will suite my team the best?

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77169.6 in reply to 77169.5
Date: 2/27/2009 5:36:42 AM
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wow. though question.

much depends on your opponent and where his weaknesses lay. But let's asume he is equally strong at all positions, so you only look at your own team.

Then I'd guess motion would be a good choice. it makes you shoot from average and long range, and prefers jumpers. Since that seems to be your strongest area when you take the whole team. But it seems you can play almost any tactic well because your guards are all rounders, so I'd solely let it depend on the opponent. Focus your attack on his weakest defense.

Since you say you have some decent JS on some of your players, I'd avoid princeton...

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77169.7 in reply to 77169.6
Date: 2/27/2009 5:47:35 AM
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Okay... thanks for quick reply. I've tried princeton yesterday. Low team rankings, but i've easily managed to defeat my last-season final opponent. I'll try motion for tonights private league game.

One more question (again) (:

Since you say you have some decent JS on some of your players, I'd avoid princeton...
Why did you say this? If princeton forces many 3pters, and my players have high JS and high JR, why is princeton a bad tactic (it is bad in my case)?
And will players with JS/JR 5/8 shoot 3ptrs better then players with 8/5 (for example)?
I thought that jump range affects jump shot as it is further away from the basket. And I thought that Jump Range is worthless without Jump Shot... Was I wrong?

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77169.8 in reply to 77169.7
Date: 2/27/2009 6:33:42 AM
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I'm not sure about this, but I think that not all 3 point shots are jumpshots.
if a player for instance is open, why should he jump on his shot?

so it is possible (but again, NOT sure) that in those cases JS is not taken into account.

But I am positive that for 3 ointers the JR will be more important then the JS skill.

the reason why I say avoid princeton, is because princeton will shoot less jumpers then any other tactic. While motion tries to take jumpers over other shots...

so in your example yes, a 5/8 will shoot better 3s then a 8/5 imo.

you are also right about the range. HIGHER JR will negatively affect shots further away from the basket LESS (note that I write shots, and not jumpshots, and yes, a jumpshot is a shot, but a shot isn't always a jumpshot) ;)
So if he takes a jumper, and he has worthless JS, it will stay worthless even with high JR. But with low JR, it will be even worse.

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77169.9 in reply to 77169.8
Date: 2/27/2009 6:48:49 AM
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IMO, every shot in basketball is a Jump Shot. It doesnt matter if a player jumps or not, it is still a Jump Shot. And Jump Range is his skill to shoot from longer distances. In real life, you cant see a player that is shooting 3pters from the ground without jumping... even if he is wide open and no one is guarding him... So IMHO jump range is the addition to jump shot, jump range isn't a skill on its own, it much depends on Jump Shot skill... What do you think on this theory?

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77169.10 in reply to 77169.9
Date: 2/27/2009 10:33:07 AM
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it's possible.

I can only talk from experience and I know my 2/6 center makes a lot more 3 pointers then my 5/1, but then again these last numbers are both 1 less...

But it seems the 2/6 -er doesn't seem to have TOO much trouble sinking 3's, even with his 2 on jump shot... possible bad OD from the opposing center had to do with it too.

I also have a 5/5, but I don't exactly recall him taking many 3 pointers, or for that matter making many...

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77169.11 in reply to 77169.10
Date: 2/27/2009 12:10:00 PM
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It was my understanding that JR is more like a modifier to JS. The shot starts with your JS rating, then applies a range modifier for distance. Either the range modifier is altered or the JS/range ratio is modified by the JR. At a certain distance and beyond the 2/6 will hit more shots than the 5/1. At least this is the way I understand it.

It is pretty rare to see a guy shoot a 3 without jumping at least a little.

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77169.12 in reply to 77169.11
Date: 2/27/2009 12:19:24 PM
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I understood it the same way.

possibly the 5/1 will also try a lot less to shoot from distance since he knows his shot clearly worsens with every step away from the basket. While the 2/6 doesn't realy care from where he shoots, since his shot is bad from anywhere. He did sink in some though, and also a little more then expected. Possibly sheer luck, or as said before atrocious OD on the defender...

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77169.14 in reply to 77169.11
Date: 2/27/2009 4:06:39 PM
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I think also that JR is a modifier to Jump Shot skill... Jump Range is worthless without jump shot

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77169.15 in reply to 77169.11
Date: 2/27/2009 5:58:25 PM
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It was my understanding that JR is more like a modifier to JS. The shot starts with your JS rating, then applies a range modifier for distance.



Agreed

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