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@ZyZla: Yep. Forgot that. Upon country opening, just move the teams to their league. Starting from scratch must really suck. I think, I would've stopped playing too. Getting good deals on the market and then having them out? Outch.

@RiP88: In my opinion, there's nothing to do about currently opened countries that have few users. I just used them as an example of the current policy. They already have a National Team and all that... Taking that privileges away after giving them, it's really bad taste. But it's a situation that can and should be avoided in the future. Or better yet, should be better structured and give them the better game experience possible.

actually those teams could be moved into one league without taking all the privileges from them, they could keep NTs and even they would get more... Any way we should ask them if they would agree with that... Drafts could be same as it`s now for all the leagues just players would get name and nationality depending on team which drafted him. teams even could be with flags near each one in league standings... I think this is a good idea, cause they will be able to improve them selfs instead of doing nothing and get bored.

Yeah, I just edited my post after thinking a bit better about it. If they don't even lose their NT... even better! There's not really any point on announcing a new country every season, if it is not going to be competitive.

Last edited by the L train at 5/19/2009 1:37:01 PM

I like this idea, too. Here are just some thoughts that may help witht he way this could al lbe organized.

I think these "grouped countries" should still retain a national home, and international leagues should be fluid enough to ensure that most teams in each league are indeed from the same country if possible. Also, instead of a "Small Countries" league, perhaps these leagues could be organized regionally like "European International", "Pacific Intnl", "Central Asia Intl", etc. The point being that even though grouping countries into more acitve and exciting leagues is definitely a great step for improving the BB experience for teams in countries with few active teams, maintaining some sort of regional identity I think would also be beneficial.

I do recognize that this would a very complicated thing to pull off, though. Maybe someone has a suggestion for how to maintain regional flavor in a way that isn't too complicated...

I like the idea of a "regional flavor" but looking realistically at the map of countries not yet officially on BB, the overwhelming majority is African. So, in my opinion, that would complicate things, without any actual purpose. And I don't think it's important to keep teams of the same country in the same division. Because, it would be a league with 1st division, 2nd division... a full league, just like any other country with 100 teams. That way, the competitive spirit would be up and running. The teams on the top, deserve to be on the top. And eliminating the need of a certain number of teams in your country, to start enjoying the game. Then, if you enjoy the game, call your friends and be an official community! If they also enjoy the game, then in no time, you'll have a new, well organized and competitive BB country! And for communication purposes, I agree with one idea that you left. It's important they get forums and all that stuff for each country. Basically, an opportunity for someone to grab it and get active. A meeting point, if you please. Because, these teams might not be on the same division.

Yeah, I was acknowledging how complicated this could get. Also, it will need to be determined when a country would have enough active teams to warrant having its own national league again, and pulling all of those teams out of an international league could get a little messy, but I suppose that wouldn't be much harder than pulling out bot teams...

Well, I have no idea if it is complicated or not to move a team from one league to another. But that, would be definitely the desired scenario, for the reasons ZyZla described.
About the limit of active teams in each country to create their own league, I would say, at least 10 (8 playoff places and 2 not going, for minimal suspense)... but the desired would be, definitely, 16 (that means, a full division). Playing for, at least, one full season (the truly active factor)! But I don't know. This is just a suggestion because, ultimately, it's up to the BB's.

Last edited by the L train at 5/19/2009 5:08:31 PM

pretty good idea :)

As a devils advocate I can see one problem with this. If one of these international league teams' country becomes big enough for it's own league, you will have greatly unbalanced teams in the 'start up' year. Some new teams, some that have been around a while. If lack of competition is a large cause of small countries not getting new users, think what it would be like if you were thrown in a new league as a new player, and you have powerhouse teams to contend with, 3 or more seasons deep.

I do like the idea, but the start-up imbalance would potentially be insurmountable

The start-up will be like the start-up of any other national league was. Of course, it might be unbalanced but... in the long run, it will become balanced. Teams on the top, will be there because they deserve it. The idea is to give the most approximate experience to a national competition, instead of "beat the bots" league. So yeah, it might be unbalanced in the beginning. But I don't see how that is a reason not to do it. The BB economy was unbalanced at the beginning, but they still went forward with it. And that was, a much bigger issue than this one. You gotta start somewhere.

Last edited by the L train at 5/19/2009 6:05:56 PM

I guess my point is that if 'beat the bots' is boring, how boring will it be to lose 110-50 6 or 8 times a season. I am not saying this makes it a bad suggestion, just one factor to look at when thinking of change.