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outside of Anthony Davis & Michael Kidd-Gilchrist how many r expected to start right away? vast majority will be in development & support role for a while until they get trained & r good enough to become starters in the nba

The point of the draft is not to get a starter to every team. Sure, drafts are different in strenght, but a backup in one team, might be a starter in bobcats. If you don't start eating up minutes in your first season in the NBA, you might aswell pack your bags for D-League or Europe. Guys getting garbage minutes, usually do not sign another contract after their rookie contract ends.
Second round draft picks aren't even guaranteed a contract.
I looked at their first TSV Bogen, he has atleast 3 players from his own team/draft playing at a respectable level. What do you think, how big of a % the players who never change teams (throughout their all-star career), of all the players drafted in history? So before argueing anything you should calculate that %.
Like I have sayd before, there is A LOT of talent on TL for practically nothing, after every draft. It's not hard to draft a star or allstar. Sure you need to invest a bit more in draft. Now here you say, "I can buy a better player from the TL", but if you want to train a player you drafted yourself, wouldn't that mean, you should invest more, instead of crying for draftee level raise.
There is enough potential on the draft. You have drafted MVP and Allstar in S18 draft while picking 15-th and 31-st. Allstar and Star in S19, with 16-th and 32-th pick. Potential would lose it's point, if you can train 75% of players to atleast divI level backups.

disagree lots of nba drafted players dont help right away the majority

sure in the nba draft each season there r players like rose, lebron etc who will help right away but think about this seasons draft

outside of Anthony Davis & Michael Kidd-Gilchrist how many r expected to start right away? vast majority will be in development & support role for a while until they get trained & r good enough to become starters in the nba

you made a perfect point that prooves what i am saying

Sure there are no DivI starters in BB draft, but there are more potential and improving players for sure.

obv i dont expect an 18 yr old rookie to be a div 1 starter

but what i do expect is that 5 seasons later many or at least SOME draft picks will be starters

again look @ the top german league & tell me if that is true?

Cavs will prob start both their guys....
Houston will prob start atleast 1....

it'll happen.

I trained a starter potential player and sold him for 505k. I just trained him carefully, and not too much!

The point of the draft is not to get a starter to every team.

agree but the point of the draft is 2 be able 2 draft someone that one day can start for your team

Like I have sayd before, there is A LOT of talent on TL for practically nothing, after every draft

totally agree u can get a guy for $1k far better than anyone u can draft urself

where is the disagreement?

It's not hard to draft a star or allstar. Sure you need to invest a bit more in draft. You have drafted MVP and Allstar in S18 draft while picking 15-th and 31-st. Allstar and Star in S19, with 16-th and 32-th pick

ill post my drafting history

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this is the sad tale of my drafting history ill make a summary @ the end

for the record i have spent $20,000 on the draft almost every week since i started in season 10

season div wins
10 3/6 14 +139
11 3/6 19 +581
12 3/6 19 +618
13 3/6 21 +894
14 2/1 13 +163
15 2/1 12 +172
16 2/1 15 +471
17 2/1 13 +370
18 2/1 19 +809
19 2/1 22 +989

season 10 draft

we started in season 10 round 4 so missed out on 1 week of drafting spending $20,000 x 13 weeks

cost $260,000 running cost $260,000 - sales $400,000 = total profit $140,000 (this is my peak!)

draft picks
#13 choice #1 Xiong Tiande $3294 19 HoF C 6'9"
i train guards and he was 6'9" with awful js & all bad guard skills but also inept id, was 19 with low skills sold for $400,000

#29 choice #10 Gao Fazhan $2745 19 allstar C 6'8"
a second big man when i already had xie & rad and was 100% going with guards with 7 x inept or worse i just sacked him

#45 choice #30 He Qunhao $2424 19 benchwarmer PG 6'1"
benchwarmer = sacked

season 11 draft

cost $280,000 running cost $540,000 - sales $420,000 = total loss $120,000

draft picks
#14 choice #3 Perry Hardman $4560 18 star SG 6'6"
he was very tempting but i just felt with the height of 6'6" and potential of only star he wasnt worth training - i have always trained high potential guys pallstar at least with only one exception ever i sold him for about $20,000

#30 choice #4 Ric De Bartolo $4213 19 star SF 6'11"
too tall too low potential couldnt sell him so sacked

#46 choice #34 Tamra Gupta $1991 19 benchwarmer PF 6'3"
sacked

season 12 draft

cost $280,000 running cost $820,000 - sales $638,000 = total loss $182,000

draft picks
#15 choice #2 Eddie Nixon $4023 18 superstar SG 6'9"
already stuck on guards i get an 18yo superstar SG - couldn't be better right, but 6'9" with pitiful IS and awful RE & PA sold for $208,100.

#31 choice #13 Evan Halatau $3026 18 starter PG 6'5"
too low potenrial sold for $10,000 and still playing!

#47 choice #16 Andreas Czybulka-Schwenold $2472 18 starter PG 6'5"
sacked

season 13 draft (the worst ever!)

cost $280,000 running cost $1,100,000 - sales $638,000 = total loss $462,000

draft picks
#16 choice #3 Alex Deevey $3118 18 benchwarmer SG 6'2"
it was a crappy draft for guards & everyone i checked was bad sacked

#32 choice #5 Lokmalhakim bin Sulaiman $3185 18 roleplayer PF 6'2"
sacked

#48 choice #33 Jörg Hersch $1726 19 benchwarmer PF 6'10"
sacked

2 benchwarmers & a roleplayer awesome

season 14 draft

cost $280,000 running cost $1,380,000 - sales $638,000 = total loss $742,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000

draft picks
#9 (my best ever pick) choice #4 Darius Black $3245 18 star 6'1" PG
by now i was really annoyed about my drafting & just wanted to be able to train a draft pick like everyone else so when i got darius even though he had bad skills (7 x inept or worse 42 skill points in total (excluding stam & free throws)) and potential i decided screw it im gonna train him

#25 choice #14 Konstantin Pitzing $2737 18 6th man 6'0" PG
sacked

#41 choice #22 Hazem Mugridge $2771 19 starter 6'1" PG
sacked

SUMMARY READ THIS

after 6 seasons of drafting & trying 2 find a guard to train & an investment of $1.3 million my best drafted rookie was a $3k star potential

easy you say

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season 15 draft (second worst ever)

cost $280,000 running cost $1,660,000 - sales $638,000 = total loss $1022,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000

draft picks
#12 choice #4 Sem Crone $3027 18 6th man SF 6'4"
sacked

#28 choice #8 Mohd Syamsuri bin Ibrahim $2455 18 starter PG 6'0"
sacked

#44 choice #15 Enrico Lorenzi $2285 19 6th man SG 6'0"
sacked

a starter & 2 6th men - ive had worse

season 16 draft (THE MIRACLE!)

cost $280,000 running cost $1,940,000 - sales $642,000 = total loss $1,298,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000 and now 3 x 18 year old trainable pallstars (tptal tpe on them is less than $100,000 combined)

draft picks
#13 choice #1 Will Johnson $3726 18 perennial allstar SF 6'2"
i got my first choice, amazing luck! this is by far my best draft pick ever even if he had a tpe of $50,000 after i have spent $2million on the draft he is the pick i have always wanted

#29 choice #4 Fabian Goller $2990 18 perennial allstar SG 6'4"
my second best pick ever so how much was the second best guy i have ever drafted worth

Purchased from Melbourne Goldfish for $ 4 000

#45 choice #13 Ryan Brown $2660 18 perennial allstar SF 6'0"
to a lot of players he would be just rubbish but with my drafting history i decided to keep him because of his height and very low fouling, i did a lot of 2 position training this season (1on1 & JS) and he always go trained so has had 7 pops this season his tpe was $1-10 but after a season of training...

There have been 8 recent transfers of 18 year old small forwards with strong jump shot and perennial allstar potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Ryan Brown have been selling for around $ 2 000 to $ 70 000.

so that is it after $1.3 million loss on the draft the second best player i have ever gotten is worth $2-70,000

season 17 draft (back to normal level of pathetic)

cost $280,000 running cost $2,242,000 - sales $646,000 = total loss $1,596,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000 and now 3 x 18 year old trainable pallstars (total tpe on them is less than $100,000 combined)

draft picks
#12 choice #5 Aden Saunders 18yo $3349 star 6'2" SG my 5th choice sucks (no one else got worse than their 3rd choice in the 1st round) TPE 1-8k, there were good players this season like a 5k allstar, a 3.5k HoF & a 4k HoF but they all went in top 5

eventually i just fired him

#28 choice #8 Mike Talay 18yo $1910 18 6'6" PF role player sacked

$44 choice # 11 Hassan Wexley 19yo $2647 6'1" star PG sacked

so back to normal noone over star potential or 3.5k salary

season 18 draft

cost $280,000 running cost $2,542,000 - sales $646,000 = total loss $1,876,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000 and now 3 x 18 year old trainable pallstars (total tpe on them is less than $100,000 combined)


somehow picking 2nd last i got my first choice & the player i have been wanting 4 seasons


#1 choice #15 Imran Zaki 18yo $2000k 18 6'2" PG MVP - wow a MVP what a lucky day i finally get someone worth training even if he starts out really bad he had a micro tpe but will one day be a star

#7 choice #31 Robert Kahukiwa 18yo $2172 18 6'5" PG allstar

#26 choice #47 Henry Fallon 19yo $2150 19 6'5" PF role player sacked

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season 19 draft

didn't spend in the last 2 weeks of the season wasnt going 2 spend but in the end i did i just cant help myself love drafting

cost $240,000 running cost $2,782,000 - sales $646,000 = total loss $2,116,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000 and now 3 x 18 year old trainable pallstars & a very weak MVP (total tpe on them is less than $100,000 combined)


#2 choice #16 Steve MacKie 19yo $5710 18 6'2" PG allstar really good starting player for a d4 team & useful in d3 not so good in abbl probably should sell him so he gets trained

#4 choice #32 Dušan Ilijašević 19yo $2550 7'0" C star

#25 choice #48 Kristoffer Catequista 19yo $2727 6'4" PF bench warmer sacked

SUMMARY READ THIS

9 seasons
$2,782,000 spent on drafting
best draft pick ever either
Will Johnson $3726 18 perennial allstar SF 6'2
or
Imran Zaki 18yo $2000k 18 6'2" PG MVP

so ur point is drafting is easy ive drafted a pallstar & a mvp

easy?????????????

Last edited by abigfishy at 7/13/2012 6:27:31 PM

lots of really good points here & i agree in general

the frustration i feel is that for $1 i can buy a player off the tl that i can train 2 be an abbl starter much better than anyone i can draft

agree but the point of the draft is 2 be able 2 draft someone that one day can start for your team

How come is that the point of the draft? In this game, the point is make more money, than you put in or get good skills/potential for training.

totally agree u can get a guy for $1k far better than anyone u can draft urself

But someone actually has to draft them. You can't expect to draft a great trainee, while drafting late. I looked at your drafts, you either are lucky to get something that late or leaguemates are not investing in draft. Like it was said before, raising draftees level will just flood the market with better draftees and you still go out and get a better one than you draft (if you draft late or are unlucky) for practically nothing.
If you want to train your players, stop looking at the TL. You are looking for a perfect match. "This is not good enough", "that is not good enough", stop being nitpicky. You can't expect to get something valuable every season. You have been drafting decent players a few seasons now.

ill post my drafting history

I think we have been over this before. I can throw in my own records. 2,17mil invested total (this season projected investment included), 3,38mil in sales, profit 1,21mil. I even decided to keep 2 draftees from S17 draft and 1 from S18 draft. Last season drafts have not been great, but I don't expect to be dazzled while drafting late. People are starting to invest again, for whatever reason...