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From: tykit

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Date: 2/7/2013 7:13:02 AM
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10-12 average height players with inverted attack/defense skills will take time and energy to develop.

You guys forgot one big important thing. Center is very close to the basket so he won't need jump shot/jump range/driving too much. Engine values inside skills on big men much much more. Also, high inside skills may help a guard but if he's balanced. What's the use of high inside scoring when a guard has low driving and handling? He can't even get to the rim to utilize his high IS. I'm sure this training plan will backfire but if anyone wants to try it out - good luck. :)

A guy playing in low position needs IS, so a Center playing low post needs IS... obvious.
But if I put my best shooter on "Center" position, and my tallest guy on SG position in the game chart, then go for "Outside Isolation", then my "Center" will take the outside shoots and won't play near the basket, and my tall guy will play outside and will need HA&PA. In this scenario SG & C will switch their guys on defense.
Your "Center" will play near the basket or not, depending on the tactic you've chosen.
And none has said that the tallest guy is 7'5" and shortest 5'00" ; the entire roster could be between 6'10" and 6"6", which make it possible (i didn't say easy) to have both outside/inside skills on every single player.
Actually, i don't really see the link with the quote in your answer :°)

Last edited by tykit at 2/7/2013 7:15:04 AM

From: ibarix

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And none has said that the tallest guy is 7'5" and shortest 5'00"...

Me neither...

Actually, i don't really see the link with the quote in your answer :°)

Then read again. :) Stress was on inverted attack/defense skills.

But the bottom line was "I'm sure this training plan will backfire but if anyone wants to try it out - good luck. :)". I hope you will try this training and let us know how it went. ;)

From: Raout

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What about a team with only SFs ?

From: capali

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One of our d.1 team tried it but he didnt success. Then he sold them.

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Date: 2/9/2013 4:57:17 PM
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I didn't read through all of the posts, so maybe I'll say something redundant, but here it is anyway:

I posted a very similar idea several months ago, maybe half a year, on General BB (English). The post contains the hardest part: execution. I don'tfear anyone would copy this idea, because 99.9% of users on BB follow the easy path, which is LI-M2M to oblivion and don't want to risk something to try anything new.

Anyway, your idea would take too much time. First, you train two players. But when you finish the next two players, first two are already too old and they can't play together. The solution: you have to finish first two players with 2-position training which benefits the second "batch" of players, which is 1 on 1 for forwards.

My model/theory trains four players, but you have to buy the 5th one. If you are lucky and you get really nice rookies, you can train all five, but they won't be able to play more than two seasons together before two oldest ones start to drop in skills.
The idea is very simple: take skills from guards that make them expensive, in this case some PA and some JR, and convert them into IS. Same applies to inside players: take IS out and convert it into PA. Of course you have to switch the whole team on defense.
Those are the skills, of course I'm talking about offense only:

PG and SG:

6, 6
6, 16
16, 16
8, 18
18, 12

Inside players (they can play SF, PF or C):

18, 12
18, 18
18, 12
18, 6
6, 6

How it's done:

Buy two short players (190 - 193 cm is ideal). Train them like normal guards, but spend 3-4 weeks per season on IS for C. Don't train HA and DR above 14.

When their JS, OD, JR, PA and IS are on desired level, buy two tall players (at least 208 cm, the higher the better). Train those two with two guards in 1 on 1 for forwards, until guards reach desired HA and DR. Then train them in ID and RB until desired levels. Spend at least 3 weeks per season on PA.

When ID, RB and PA reach desirable levels, you can buy two rookie guards and train all four in 1 on 1 for forwards. I'm sure you see a pattern here...

Such a team can play 2-3 seasons together, but since players cycle, you get to finish two new guards when the old ones retire.

Notice that each time you train one-position either guards on inside players, there are only two of them. If you want, you can add a third player that can start with guards and finish with bigs, but you have be careful about order in which you train the skills. You can use that player as a SF on defense, or just buy one on the market.

I started the sequence with Anžic. Navršnik is too old to participate in the model, but Anžic will be one of the two guards. Gokturk will be the other. Anžic and Gokturk are too far apart though, so maybe I'll buy another player like Gokturk in a season or two. Notice though you can buy 19- or 20-y old players, that are traditional guards with IS 7-8 and add them to IS training of your previous guard.

Last edited by Koperboy at 2/9/2013 5:05:06 PM

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Date: 2/9/2013 6:58:57 PM
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Thanks for your reply, and the training schedule you have seems workable indeed. But how do you think your team would perform? I guess you basically have a LI team but with with incapable bigs on offense that rebound and pass the ball back to the guards, or how do you see it?

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Date: 2/10/2013 1:35:18 AM
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Bigs are playing pg and sg on offense...this team can play li, patient or outside iso. Not sure for motion yet.

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Date: 2/10/2013 5:10:34 PM
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What I meant is that your "Bigs" look like LI guards; they got all guard skills and just some lesser JR (not a biggie for LI) and not high passing but they can be SG's, and they got high IS but that's for LI. Then you got bigs that don't have IS and have passing instead, so they just rebound, don't shoot but pass the ball. So although you're saving some money, you lose your inside presence too.

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