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I don't know the specifics and I believe you when you sketch his history. Are his tanking seasons filled with walkovers? That's what I find most reprehensible. If he tanked all away games then his fan survey would be lame and he would have lower income from his home games.

The only fact I can read out of this is: you went from a seasonal finals/championship team to a "I have NT players" team, plus all the money my entire team was worth when I sold them to start tanking

Fixed. Plus, that money is worth a lot more in today's economy after 7 seasons of deflation. I can't make you respect the value of tanking to my team. If I would have added one cheap high salaried big for the cup in season 18 final, and one for the stretch run of the league and cup in season 19, i could have 3 more trophies. But, like SpicyMcHaggis said:

However, he is making the experience essentially miserable for everybody he is competing against

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Tanked at least two whole seasons, one in Division I 2 or 3 seasons ago and one in Division II a while ago, and is now back playing for the italian championship, having won Division II and having played Division I both with monstrous payrolls.

Yay for more evidence!

I don't think Samantha Basket is a very good example of tanking, with season 11 being their only real tanking season.

Season 11: 0-22, Tanks one season, begins rebuilding, demotes to D.III. Before this it was a steady climb from the bottom
Season 12: 8-14 record, threw a couple away games, nowhere near real tanking. Saved some money in D.III for one season.
Season 13: 16-6, obviously not tanking.
Season 14: 20-2, hmm, seems to be a pattern of improvement here.
Season 15: 22-0, promotes to D.II, seems be steadily improving.
Season 16: 18-4, promotes again.
Season 17: 4-18, realizing he's out of his depth after going from III to I, which you yourself said is unlikely he decides to go back to D.II.
Season 18: 19-3, Promotes back to D.I.
Season 20: 17-5, Doing well in D.I.


Note, this team caused no walkovers in seasons 11 or 17 his two tanking seasons. (or even season 12)

So so far for examples I've seen: A) A six season rebuilding plan that leaves you with more money, national pride, but less talent overall B) A three season plan to move from #3 to #1 in D.II and C) 9 seasons from the bottom of D.II to the top of D.I.

None of these scream to me "OMG tanking needs to be nerfed". They show me that tanking, if done right, can work out ok, but so can many other strategies as well.

The only things I currently support that I've seen in this thread are: increased penalties for walkovers, and decreasing rewards for 5th place.

Tanking is and should continue to be a viable option for good managers to take.

I don't think you're looking at all the examples...

Confirmation Bias....?

(http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&es...)

Brian could buy championships but he won't

I should note that I'm aware of at least one other team in the NBBA that has a large cash reserve, so technically I could end up in a spending war with them. Either way, would suck for the rest of the competition.

Last edited by brian at 8/13/2012 8:27:46 AM

The only fact I can read out of this is: you went from a seasonal finals/championship team to a "I have NT players" team, plus all the money my entire team was worth when I sold them to start tanking

Fixed. Plus, that money is worth a lot more in today's economy after 7 seasons of deflation. I can't make you respect the value of tanking to my team. If I would have added one cheap high salaried big for the cup in season 18 final, and one for the stretch run of the league and cup in season 19, i could have 3 more trophies. But, like SpicyMcHaggis said:

However, he is making the experience essentially miserable for everybody he is competing against

That's my main point. I agree that giving walkover ruins the fun for the other teams, but so does playing in a division in which you know that under no circumstances will you have a shot at promoting.

Well of course I have confirmation bias, I'm trying to prove my point :P

Anways ideas I support:
-Raising of the salary floor(maybe 1.5 of current)
-Punishment of some sort for walkovers/repeated walkovers
-reducing rewards for 5th(maybe just make them pay 1 week of salaries?)

I'm you're light hearted about my comment. Some people...

You think the fan survey is fine?

Hmm, I'm not sure if it's perfect, seems like the most recent over effects it a bit, but it's also not something I really know how to fix, so I'll leave that to them.