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I don't think you're looking at all the examples...

Confirmation Bias....?

(http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&es...)

Brian could buy championships but he won't

I should note that I'm aware of at least one other team in the NBBA that has a large cash reserve, so technically I could end up in a spending war with them. Either way, would suck for the rest of the competition.

Last edited by brian at 8/13/2012 8:27:46 AM

The only fact I can read out of this is: you went from a seasonal finals/championship team to a "I have NT players" team, plus all the money my entire team was worth when I sold them to start tanking

Fixed. Plus, that money is worth a lot more in today's economy after 7 seasons of deflation. I can't make you respect the value of tanking to my team. If I would have added one cheap high salaried big for the cup in season 18 final, and one for the stretch run of the league and cup in season 19, i could have 3 more trophies. But, like SpicyMcHaggis said:

However, he is making the experience essentially miserable for everybody he is competing against

That's my main point. I agree that giving walkover ruins the fun for the other teams, but so does playing in a division in which you know that under no circumstances will you have a shot at promoting.

Well of course I have confirmation bias, I'm trying to prove my point :P

Anways ideas I support:
-Raising of the salary floor(maybe 1.5 of current)
-Punishment of some sort for walkovers/repeated walkovers
-reducing rewards for 5th(maybe just make them pay 1 week of salaries?)

I'm you're light hearted about my comment. Some people...

You think the fan survey is fine?

Hmm, I'm not sure if it's perfect, seems like the most recent over effects it a bit, but it's also not something I really know how to fix, so I'll leave that to them.

I have been following this discussion for a while now. While I do agree that some steps should be taken to discourage intentional walkovers, I rarely see anybody talking about making winning more attractive.
Basically the only team being rewarded is the actual league champion. What is in it for the other 7 teams making the playoffs? Nothing.
I said this earlier, put out incentives for winning games and making the playoffs, either through a much increased amount of merchandise earnings or a fixed amount for winning a game (just like in advancing in the cup). And then add bonuses for teams making the playoffs, conference finals and finals.

As for evidence of tanking being a good strategy, my first full season in BB was S14. I promoted to D.III in S16. It turned out to be just too fast. My arena wasn't ready, I had two trainees at that time. The one was a NT PG prospect and was eating up salary. After finishing first my first season in D.III and then being kicked out of the playoffs in the first game (albeit a bit unlucky) I was basically broke. I then had a decision to make. Being stuck in a treadmill and playing mediocre with no real chance to improve in the future with no assets, or rebuild. I opted for the latter and it was the best decision I could have made.
I sold all my players spare for my homegrown trainee and finished last the next season with a 0-22 record (no walkovers though). With the first pick I selected a great PG talent who can make the U21 within the next two years. I put a load of money into adding seats to my arena and got myself two more trainees. I promoted right back into D. III the next year having a cash reserve. I finished this season first overall and am now on the verge of promoting to D. II with a much larger arena and future improvement through trainees.
Your call if you wanna count that as evidence.

Last edited by Fonzi at 8/15/2012 3:41:02 AM

No one really acknowledged my post, so I'll try again :)

Now I may not be such an experienced bb player BUT a simple a way I've figured out to fix this IS: Depending on what league you are in, introduce sponsorship contracts. At the moment I'm in league 3. Earning roughly 20k a week with a full arena. A tanker however would be earning 100k a week, if I'm not correct.

Sooo, why not make a sponsorship contract which determines how much money you earn per game won, but not only that, but also how much money you will win if you make the playoffs.

Eg. In III.2 (random) team A earns 30k a week. Through the contract he earns another 20k per game + 10k for every time the fan favourite is played 40+ minutes (listed in the fan survey) therefore 50k all up and 80k per week. Team B however has 5 players, all of which are scrubs. He has the same sponsorship contract, although he is tanking so the only extra money he is earning is from the star player earning or the fan favourite. As an enticing factor for both teams, if you make the playoffs, you earn an extra 100k...

Newly promoted players will have larger contracts though. Simply because they have to adapt to a harder league therefore they'll be earning something like 80k in EXTRA money. Any flaws, or further ideas, let me know. :)

Everyone in my league said I 'semi tanked' this season, does a semi tank get punished or not punished?

I think the best managers 'find a way' to get to the top, no matter what rules are in place. So you can introduce anti tank rules, but at the end of the day the best managers will still be in div 1, the next best in div 2 etc...it's just the way it works.

This semi confession of a semi tank by Bryce for this current season is somewhat ironic and surprisingly he escaped ridicule

I doubt if in the history of the game of buzzerbeater there has ever been a more successful tanker than the manager Bryce_Gibbs.

The history of Bryce is as follows;

Started in season 3 in div 3 and won championships in his first 2 seasons to take him to the ABBL (Div 1 in Australia) in season 5, where he won the Championsip the following season (season 6)..

In season 11 around Feb 2010 he appears to have undertaken " a massive tank" and sold up 4 players netting a cool 16 mill but was demoted.

He survived a div 2 relegation series in season 12 and then won the championship in div 2 in season 13, enabling him to reenter the ABBL where he won championships in seasons 14, 15, 16 and 18.


So succesful was Bryce at tanking, that tanking in Australian Buzzerbeater circles is now known as "Brycing"

And for those of you from other countries where you play football with funny shaped totally round balls, and who are not familar with the Aussie Rules Footballer by the name of Bryce Gibbs, surprise surprise he played for Carlton, other wise known as Carltank for very obvious reasons (winning priority draft picks for coming last)

No, tanking isn't an issue at all!

Jokes.. Nice post +1