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I guess I came off like that but I didn't intend to.

No prob. I could say the same thing. ;-)


Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 8/16/2008 10:05:32 PM

I've not commented on the new economic changes yet, as I was happy to accept the view of the BBs that it was necessary, and wanted to see exactly how it affected my team before shouting. Now we've had a week under the new regime it would be useful I think to compare the impact on different teams to judge whether it has worked as intended in terms of game balance.

I understood from the announcement that the intention was to restrict the teams making huge profits each week and thus pushing up inflation. I'm pretty certain that isn't me. Before the changes I was making perhaps 50k or so profit each week and that money, plus TV money was going in to small stadium expansions and buying moderately good players (my record signing to date is $795,000). I'm a struggling division 1 team in England - finished sixth in both my seasons in that division but won my relegation playoff each time. My draft players haven't been good enough to keep or sell for anything impressive, so I rely on a small profit each week to have any hope of one day buying a player or two who can help me compete with the top teams in my league who have stadiums two or three times bigger than me, and several big stars.

This week, my stadium was full (very nearly, 4 luxury boxes not filled) and the gross receipts were $228,700. Losing $91,480 to the new players' union left me with just $137,220 - and my net profit for the week is $23,000 or so. In other words, it will take me twice as long now to save the money I need for the players who are essential to my survival in the top division.

My questions:

How are the top teams figures comparing to that? Are the top teams suffering even more than a 50% drop in profits? If not, then the changes won't help balance the league, but I appreciate this wasn't the primary intention.

Where is the TV money, which I thought would be a weekly addition but does not appear in this week's economy?

Do the changes make investing in players now much more of a financial incentive than investing in stadium expansion, since ticket sales are taxed so heavily? If so, won't this weaken the anti-inflationary effect of the changes?

Nick

I believe that the TV revenue will come at the next weekly economic update, which is on the 18th at 2:00 am. You will get an extra $35,000, taking your weekly profit to 58,000, or a 16 % increase compared to your stated figure from last season.

I think arena expansion is still a good way to go, as the transfer market seems to have hit a brick wall, especially for mid-priced players. I just saw a 20 year old MVP potential SG with decent skills go for $150 000. Three weeks ago that same cat would have gone for at least 5 times that much. So while it might be a buyer's market right now, who's to say when the sellers will have their day in the sun again.

My first game was away so I can't help you out with any numbers, but I will post what happened after Tuesday's game.

Fair points, and useful. But remember that my TV income last season was a total of $1.2M, or an additional $100,000 profit per week if it were averaged out. My fear is that while everyone's income will be affected, the very top teams (above me) and the division 2 teams (below me) will not be as badly affected proportionately as the teams in my condition - lower quality teams struggling to compete in the highest divisions.

Last year after a normal week:
+200 000$ (couting everything like cup or B3's)

This season:
- 50 000$ (counting everything again).

Glad I kept a lot of money just before this changes ...

It's way too early to say that already.

You'll always earn less money in the first weeks, because the fans aren't that happy yet. Less merchandise, less arena income. Wait untill you won a few matches in a row, that will give you at least the 50k more. Add another 25k extra when you win your cupmatch and you are in the + already.

I'm counting the Cup and B3's game in the -50 000$/week [;)]

It's way too early to say that already.

You'll always earn less money in the first weeks, because the fans aren't that happy yet. Less merchandise, less arena income. Wait untill you won a few matches in a row, that will give you at least the 50k more. Add another 25k extra when you win your cupmatch and you are in the + already.

This is ridiculous... fans from sports I watch turn out early season whilst optimism is high from the break between seasons.... if anything the attendences should be higher at the beginning than mid-way through the season... (and drop off faster depending on how team is doing on-court) then towards playoffs pick up steam again...

If someones just won a trophy there should be absolutely no reason whatsoever to see a drop in fans.

Hmm I agree with that, but from my experience the income is less in the first weeks (that might be due to the loss in the PO too), I can't speak for others of course. But in HT they reset the fan mood in off season, so I kind of expected that here too, but i'm not sure though.

slightly different but along the same lines...

if your team played a 2 legged semi final.... won the first leg 120-60 then fielded scrubs and lost by 10-20 in the second game.... do you think that fans would boycott the final??

that is in essence what happens here.... no way would the teams fans not show up to witness the finale to their teams season....

if the arena attendence is truly going to reflect fan sentiment then it is scenarios like this that need to be addressed....

STH is another for debate... how/why a team cant improve beyond 4000 ish?

A franchise gathers momentum - take Springlfield Drunkers or Toroo... both already household names in this game... they attract fans/supporters from outside their own country.

Take Real Madrid - fans travel from miles to go and watch games.. bottom line is this is an example of an elite real life franchise and the top bracket in BB seems to be a Recreativo Huelva!