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217393.51 in reply to 217393.49
Date: 6/8/2012 7:43:20 PM
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Time is a huge factor. Ask a guy like RiP how long he has trained Essa Abu-Kaleel for? I am guessing it is 7 seasons at least.

Maja took 7 seasons and that was starting out very poorly as I had no clue what I was doing :)

To train a good NT player takes at least 6 full seasons of commited training.

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217393.52 in reply to 217393.37
Date: 6/8/2012 7:43:56 PM
Lawrence Park Panthers
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We lack commited trainers that will train a player into their mid to late 20's focusing on creating unique and balanced builds.


Funny coming from a guy who stopped training Momar when? Lol

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217393.53 in reply to 217393.43
Date: 6/8/2012 7:46:33 PM
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I agree that balance matters for sure. But everyone seems to be going overboard with it for our bigs. We have lots of guys that will be good PF's, but we don't have any monster centers that also have reasonable outside skills. I'm against mono-skilled players as well, but if we had someone with maybe 6 less secondary pops as Maja and 8 more primary skills, we'd actually have someone that can compete at center on the NT level. We can't just build really balanced PF's all the time and expect to not get killed against an LI offense. We have to be able to train someone with real center primaries that also has the secondaries, which I don't see anyone really doing.


I agree

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217393.54 in reply to 217393.51
Date: 6/8/2012 7:51:19 PM
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Time is a huge factor. Ask a guy like RiP how long he has trained Essa Abu-Kaleel for? I am guessing it is 7 seasons at least.

Maja took 7 seasons and that was starting out very poorly as I had no clue what I was doing :)

To train a good NT player takes at least 6 full seasons of commited training.


RiP is still probably training Kaleel. If Maja kept training he'd be able to help on the inside. 7 seasons... What a joke.... 6 seasons for a good NT player? What have you been smoking beanerz.......

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217393.55 in reply to 217393.52
Date: 6/8/2012 9:32:20 PM
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When he turned 27. At that point I could not aford to train him any further. If I was to do it again I would train him for one more full season...

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217393.56 in reply to 217393.54
Date: 6/8/2012 9:40:05 PM
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RiP is still probably training Kaleel. If Maja kept training he'd be able to help on the inside. 7 seasons... What a joke.... 6 seasons for a good NT player? What have you been smoking beanerz.......



Perhaps you should read my post again. It very clearly states at least 6 seasons. And yes 6 seasons is plenty, so the joke is on your very limited knowledge of what it takes to train a NT player. :P

Can I suggest you browse some of the NT's and see the age of some of the players. I can assure you that you will find plenty who are 24 years of age. From the Canadian team Maja, Williams, Richards, Milot, Mathews, E. Abu-Kaleel and TSA all were impact players on the NT at 24 or younger. That is just based of recent memory, but at least you got the joke :)

From: Mr. Burns

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217393.58 in reply to 217393.57
Date: 6/9/2012 10:23:01 AM
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RiP is still probably training Abu-Kaleel.

I am. He had an OD pop a month and a half ago and a handling pop last week :)


Well I guess Beanerz was right that you trained him for "at least" 7 seasons. Though he was off by about, ummm, by about another 5 seasons. Rofl

Last edited by Mr. Burns at 6/9/2012 10:26:13 AM

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217393.59 in reply to 217393.58
Date: 6/9/2012 11:28:44 AM
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Haha...

All five of those seasons he was a starter for the NT too, pretty crazy!

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217393.60 in reply to 217393.49
Date: 6/9/2012 3:29:22 PM
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How would you train this guy ?

John Sammons (22158616)
Center
Owner: Superfreakys
Weekly salary: $ 7 992
Role: rotation player

DMI: 109400
Age: 20
Height: 7'0" / 213 cm
Potential: all-time great
Game Shape: proficient

Jump Shot: inept Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: average Handling: inept
Driving: mediocre Passing: pitiful
Inside Shot: proficient Inside Def.: prominent
Rebounding: strong Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: atrocious Free Throw: inept
Experience: pitiful

14 in IS, ID and RB then go nuts in secondaries even if it takes 4-5 weeks to get 1 pop. then bring the main to 17?

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217393.61 in reply to 217393.60
Date: 6/9/2012 4:17:37 PM
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I agree with beanerz that what we need is stud big men with some decent outside skills as well. At a certain point in time, however, the switch needs to be made from making a potential NT player more well-rounded to driving his key skills through the roof. My personal experience with training Denny Hall (also ATG) was that at 23 his pops were a bit slow on the inside and he ideally would have been switched over to inside training earlier. Hopefully his current owner will be able to get him to his potential, but only time will tell whether I trained him outside for too long.

That said, I think Sammons passing needs to be addressed. I don't think players with less than respectable passing belong on the NT except under exceptional circumstances (ie our current dearth of big man prospects...). I would train a mixture of passing and his core inside skills. Assuming a modest 10 or 11 pops a year, you could have him at respectable passing and 14/14/14 in two seasons of training, you'd probably pick up a handling pop in there as well. At 22 his salary would still be very reasonable. At that point in time you could reassess.

If your team is trying to win, it's awfully hard to play a stud big man trainee at PG week after week while he tries to pop at passing. By training it intermittently over a couple seasons you can choose the weeks/games that you can afford to lose or are guaranteed to win anyways. Or you could just do what I'm doing and tank intentionally and not worry about it! (bring on the draft baby!).

cheers

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