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The data does show a bigger increase with older players.

There is heaps of data for level 4s and a lot of level 5 but as it gets ot level 6 and 7 there is limited date.

Some people say you need at least level 5 to get a guy into a 21 NT side. In fact a number of those who run the sides say that. With me level 4 trainer always I have a 21 Nt player who started a bunch of games as a 20 year old.

If you have heaps of cash and focused only on training a couple of guys then I guess the higher levels may be worthwhile. But in general I can not see a lot of benefit for paying more for what seems such a small boost.

It is common knowledge, you will NOT be able to cap an MVP or HOF player with a level 4 trainer. I guess if people are training Per.Allstars, it's cool to have a level 4....but a per.allstar won't be making a NT team. For myself...I use a level 7 to smooth out the height pentalties you get from training a player that is 6'6 and 6'2.

Common Knowledge? I'd prefer seeing some actual evidence because that doesn't seem quite right. Especially since things such as height, starting skills, what position you're training him for, how balanced you make him will also effect how quickly he caps.

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 4/16/2013 9:02:01 AM

So you think that you can get a MVP pot. player up to 110-120 TSP by 26 with a level 4 trainer? That is crazy talk!!....even with the perfect height/ and a starting TSP of 65(that would be 5 averages and 5 respectables)....and I am not talking about 20 driving and 20 handles, I'm talking about primaries with great secondaries.....example
a 6'6 SF/PF with 120 TSP at 26
Jump Shot: tremendous Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: tremendous Handling: tremendous
Driving: wondrous Passing: strong
Inside Shot: marvelous Inside Def.: prodigious
Rebounding: wondrous Shot Blocking: strong

That would be impossible with a level 4 trainer...
Common knowledge is this....all great NT level players are built with level 6 or 7 trainers.
As a U-21 manager, I tell all the owners of my U-21 players....5 is cool, 6 is great, 7 is the best
most guys with 4's, their players get left behind. and when the Level 7 trainer owners start submitting their data, you will see a big difference.

Here is the question... What level trainer are you using?

Obviously a player will train faster with a higher level trainer so obviously you're going to build an NT player faster with a higher trainer. I'm not questioning that. But I still think that I could cap an MVP pot player with a level 4 trainer and you haven't really presented anything in your post that proves otherwise.

Listen, I could be dead wrong, I would just like to see concrete proof first rather than 'common knowledge'. There has been tons of common knowledge shared on these boards over the years that ended up being proven wrong.

U21 is a different beast because you've got so little time to make them quality players. So the higher the trainer obviously the better a players chances at making U21. Not sure why you added that to your reply because it doesn't have anything to do with capping players.

The U-21 years are the prime training years. if don't don't take a big enough bite out of their cap space by 22, you won't reach their cap. That is why I included the U-21 stuff. An MVP being capped with a level 4 trainer...maybe a no secondary freak, maybe....but I still doubt that.
I track a lot of players for my U-21...and level 4 trainers get about 2-3 less pops a season compared to a level 6(that is OD/ID work BTW). In 6 seasons, that is a minimum of about 12 pops. That is huge if we are talking about OD/ID/IS/pass.
The only reason why I am even posting in here is that one of my U-21 players owners read this thread and actually started to believe that a level 4 was good enough. I don't want him to waste an MVP player with a level 4. I am hoping that by posting in here, he will keep his 6.

Last edited by Yellow cake at 4/16/2013 11:11:23 AM