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From: Matt1986

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That's gone way past an 'opinion'. If someone is going to post absolute crap like that, I reserve the right to tell him that he's disgrace.


From: tremell

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Naker isn't allowed an opinion because he's not in ABBL. Didn't you read the ABBL forum a few weeks back :-p jks

From: Mr J

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Naker isn't allowed an opinion because he's not in ABBL. Didn't you read the ABBL forum a few weeks back :-p jks


Clearly he missed the memo! ;-) anyways, he will be back there before you know it...old farts and all! lol

@ as for your boat people post, totally agree. Until we take a harder approach, the boats will continue to arrive. And yes, my initial thoughts are with the families on board, but that is quickly replaced with my disgust for the vultures who create false hope in those who have only hope.

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Haha thanks for replying man I think it will probably get lost in all the other discussion but is something that annoys me. I'm all for helping these people if they need help we just need that tough stand to stop the illegals and can then pump that money we are wasting on being proactive and helping genuine people that need a second chance.

I guess Indonesia have a lot to answer for too, they know exactly what is going on and where the illegals are operating but turn a blind eye. And then we are the mugs still giving Indonesia free aid etc.

Having said all this i am a very non political kind of person I just feel like if I'm getting frustrated hearing about it I can imagine the rest of the population is too!

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And so what if some times an innocent person dies? Two words: collateral damage! No system is perfect, but at the end of the day if one innocent person dying means that the world is a better place overall, then that is an acceptable loss.


You're a fucking disgrace of a human being. I can't even begin to put into words just how ridiculous some of the dribble you post on here really is.

I'm not even going to argue with you. If you really believe any of the crap you post on here to be true, then you're an absolute fucking disgrace of a person. The world would be better off without oxygen thieves like you.


And you are the type of person that could never run a country, or make any hard decision in your life. I hope for the sake of society that you are never a police officer or a soldier or in any position of authority because you simply do not have what it takes. One life is not worth more than the lives of the many. The sooner you realise that, the better.

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That's gone way past an 'opinion'. If someone is going to post absolute crap like that, I reserve the right to tell him that he's disgrace.



The fact that you are unable to rebut the points I made just showed that you aren't listening to reason, but are instead allowing emotion to cloud your judgement. You just hear the terms death penalty and collateral damage and curl up into the foetal position with your fingers in your ears. Open your mind to the possibility that in the future, and probably the very near future, the death penalty will become a reality, not just because people will want it, but because they will need it.

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Naker isn't allowed an opinion because he's not in ABBL. Didn't you read the ABBL forum a few weeks back :-p jks

Haha oh no, my apologies :P

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Trying to be a little more brief today.

Why don't you trust the Australian government?


Lucky at the moment it is mainly incompetence and apathy rather than rampant corruption at the moment. Like the UN.

More science isn't the same as complex science
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Yes as we both know it is often not the job of lawyers to make it simple but to make it confusing.

Judge-alone trials are becoming more common in practice. Maybe one day there will be no jury.


Being judged by our peers rather than some elite that has no empathy for us is one of the foundations of our legal system you are very quick to give it up. If you were in a country with Sharia law you would not be so quick.

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You want to allow murderers and rapists to be in the community being forced to work?


Yes. Behind bars in maximun security. Or on a modern version of a chain gang. Obviously not at the local supermarket.

Penalties being used as deterrents are one of the primary purposes considered in sentencing by the courts.


Penalties have multiple purposes. As far as deterrents go would it change your actions one bit if instead of three years jail for drink driving you got four years? I already agreed that there needs to be a serious penalty to be a deterrant not a trivial one. If the penalty for drink driving was life in jail, think about it, never getting out, a lifetime of rape and other violence, would you drink drive? Now imagine we changed the penalty to death would that change your actions?

Why are we wanting to live in a world where murderers and rapists are kept alive?


Why aren't you? Have you never heard of redemption? Forgiveness? A second chance? I am not saying I want a rapist or a murderer living in my house but off in a prison where they are getting better not worse is the ideal.

Over the last 20 years the prison population in Australia has doubled.


That is nothing. In USA prison is bigger than many states. If they were cost neutral I wouldn't care. If we didn't put poor people in prison for not paying fines where they turn into hardened criminals it would be better. There are already so many better alternatives for non-violent prisoners like home detention. The trouble is the legal system is seen to have no teeth by most.

As I said people don't commit murders or rapes because they think the penalties are low (although they often are) but because they think they will get no penalty or they don't think and no penalty will change their actions.

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You want to allow murderers and rapists to be in the community being forced to work?


Yes. Behind bars in maximun security. Or on a modern version of a chain gang. Obviously not at the local supermarket.

Penalties being used as deterrents are one of the primary purposes considered in sentencing by the courts.


Penalties have multiple purposes. As far as deterrents go would it change your actions one bit if instead of three years jail for drink driving you got four years? I already agreed that there needs to be a serious penalty to be a deterrant not a trivial one. If the penalty for drink driving was life in jail, think about it, never getting out, a lifetime of rape and other violence, would you drink drive? Now imagine we changed the penalty to death would that change your actions?

Why are we wanting to live in a world where murderers and rapists are kept alive?


Why aren't you? Have you never heard of redemption? Forgiveness? A second chance? I am not saying I want a rapist or a murderer living in my house but off in a prison where they are getting better not worse is the ideal.

So you want to kill all murders. Rapists. What about bank robbers? Drunk drivers kill people lets execute them. I also hate people that litter. Next Muslims and Jews. Where do you want to stop Herr Naker?

Over the last 20 years the prison population in Australia has doubled.


That is nothing. In USA prison is bigger than many states. If they were cost neutral I wouldn't care. If we didn't put poor people in prison for not paying fines where they turn into hardened criminals it would be better. There are already so many better alternatives for non-violent prisoners like home detention. The trouble is the legal system is seen to have no teeth by most.

As I said people don't commit murders or rapes because they think the penalties are low (although they often are) but because they think they will get no penalty or they don't think and no penalty will change their actions.

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Regarding population limits...


A totally different problem and way out of control right now. 7.043 billion people is way too much do you propose executing say 6 billion (7 Earths argument) to make things better because killing a few million will do nothing. Where shall we start? I never liked France much...

We certainly need to kill the disabled. Old need to go. Perhaps anyone that has an IQ below 120. Short people, any man under 6' but hot chicks are ok. Forced sterilisation for anyone that didn't vote Liberal. Also there are too many Asians. Lets have a lottery and kill 90%. Can do the same for Africa. All Jews and Muslins and Buddhists and what the heck anyone that is not part of our oficial state religion.

If Herr Naker was in charge of the world we would be living in the worst Orwellian nightmare I can imagine.

This is the exact problem with law school, they don't teach history. 99% of things Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin did were perfectly legal and the lawyers got rich creating hell on earth.

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