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84878.517 in reply to 84878.516
Date: 9/23/2013 5:06:24 AM
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I dunno, I kinda disagree a bit with all this.

Just because a bloke is monoskilled at age 21, doesn't mean he will be monoskilled by 26/27, when he should be pushing for the NT. There is another 5-6 seasons of training in there.

Wayne is one of the best U21 bigs we have had. I can assure you he won't be a monoskilled centre by the time he is 26 or 27 :P.

Train big man skills early. Make the U21s. Train outside skills after. Two birds, one stone?


Wayne is a MVP
Wayne is Managed by one of the very best

How many Managers will go back to training outside skills with a 21 or 22 yo centre when their salaries have reached 100K or plus a week, and by doing so you are now uncompetitive in the games you play such a C at PG, plus you have lost his input as a centre



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84878.518 in reply to 84878.517
Date: 9/23/2013 5:21:40 AM
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No matter what, there is going to be a hit to performance. Either you train inside skills first and then get the hit having to play a bloke with big man skills at PG. Or you train outside skills, and have to play a bloke with guard skills at C (and have the bloke train painfully slow early, making him take longer to be a useful contributor to the team). I do see the salary point though.

Of course, alot of secondaries can be got at through one on one/JS training for forwards. Passing and OD is a bit more painful. But we aren't talking SFs here. While its nice to have guys who can passing and defend well at PF/C, they don't need to be stupendous there.

I'm pretty well of the belief that though, in order for the U21 team to succeed, we can't go taking top players out of the potential pool - especially since alot of the top trainers focus on HoF+ types.

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84878.519 in reply to 84878.518
Date: 9/23/2013 5:25:27 AM
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Wow I look forward to being able to play my SF trainees at SF.

Most of the training I give them for the first 6 to 8 seasons will be either while they are playing PG or C

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84878.520 in reply to 84878.519
Date: 9/23/2013 5:35:23 AM
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Of course. But I'm not talking about SFs.

What sort of secondaries is everyone after for a PF/C? I would suggest that someone like Duffill has pretty good secondaries for a PF (we can argue around more passing of whatever). He's played a handful of games at PG/SG at most in his career.


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84878.521 in reply to 84878.518
Date: 9/23/2013 5:38:39 AM
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If someone is not going to be able to go back to outside skills for a big at 21+ are they really going to train for 7 seasons to make nt?
The issue is see is not enough info being shared between nt and 21 managers. Talk there and we fix most the issue. This came up due to a guy who's manager for a long time never responded to messages from nt mentor.
We don't have enough bigs in 21 nt as it is. Taken some out would kill 21 nt side and make it harder to motivae new trainers.
Guys like mllama will fix it. Guys with less experience will need goal 1 to keep them training.
A better way to help nt is to get the best trainers who can afford it to a group training plan. Iwen and kilktom are both doing young bigs. We need 3 to be doingv gs and 2 sf. Is we can get this sort of set up both teams can benefit IMO

Ps I'm phone on holidays. Can someone pm score and a little info about tonight's game? Can't watch. On phone.

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84878.522 in reply to 84878.521
Date: 9/23/2013 6:08:50 AM
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You can watch the text version of the play by play. Choose the option in the menu at the top right once you're on the match screen ;)

On topic, most players really only need a season or two of out of position training so yeah, it's not too big of a deal if they do it as a 22yo once they've done their bit for the U21 side.

A big man can do all his inside training and then 1 on 1 training from the C and PF spots. Passing is the main one that needs to come up and OD is always a plus too so a season of each once they're out of the U21 squad will be fine for most (and some could just do 1 season).

Guards are a similar story with IS/ID.

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84878.523 in reply to 84878.516
Date: 9/23/2013 6:47:08 AM
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Just because a bloke is monoskilled at age 21, doesn't mean he will be monoskilled by 26/27,


This is true.

i guess what we are trying to help eliminate are the extreme cases.
Like with Pham, he had atrocious passing and was 26 years old. even 2 full seasons of passing training would probably only get him up to Strong or thereabouts.
If this had been identified earlier, then a suitable buying/trainer could have been found. In the end, he did up being mono-skilled.
and perhaps in his case, maybe any effort wouldnt have made a difference because his younger trainer was a noob.

SO yer, i dont think its a case of blanket rule for all, just some general guidelines and monitoring to help prevent sad, sad, sad cases like Pham. im crying now. weeping, like during Gone with the Wind.

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84878.524 in reply to 84878.523
Date: 9/23/2013 7:02:14 AM
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Some people just won't listen to advice. I assume he sold when he could not afford him anymore.
I'm advising some guys in 21 side to train 2ndaries as they would cap before doing if not done soon.

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84878.525 in reply to 84878.524
Date: 9/23/2013 8:36:44 AM
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yes this is true and i was thinking of that when i was typing.

Perhaps again, this is a community issue that can be solved together?

Lets say, User XYZ has ATG trainee Joe Bloggs, and no matter what the NT or U21 manager say, fkn bainsy just wont train him how they want him. ... i mean... User XYZ. Joking bainsy!

anyways so if User XYZ doesn't care about that, then perhaps an incentive to put him on the market with a confirmed bidding price from another user would help the issue...
Hi Bainsy - i mean.. User XYZ>. look, your training of Player Joe Bloggs is shit, ill give you a million if you list him.

Dunno.. not sure about this dea, just throwing it out there. Im sure it happens already in some cases.


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84878.526 in reply to 84878.522
Date: 9/24/2013 12:53:05 AM
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Australia (17)
Manager: DireWolf
Confederation: Asia

All 31 votes well done and hooray. Looking forward to having a lot more scrimmages now and getting a little buzz back. I am sorry it didn't work out with Brooksy, I voted for him and thought he would be good.

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84878.527 in reply to 84878.526
Date: 9/24/2013 1:02:45 AM
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Well done Dire. Lets make this country great.

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