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241797.52 in reply to 241797.50
Date: 6/5/2013 4:13:54 PM
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No need to apologize. However, anyone that doesn't think there's a significant difference between an MVP potential player and a P. All-star potential player hasn't thought this through properly.

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241797.53 in reply to 241797.52
Date: 6/5/2013 7:09:53 PM
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my drafting sucked no good players. should i go with a 5/2 and 4/2 above players with 3/? on draft order since i dont know the 3 star rating players potential? do i take the risk cuz i have a feeling they have potential?

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241797.54 in reply to 241797.53
Date: 6/5/2013 7:12:18 PM
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I would pick you favorite number of the blank draftees and hope for the best. Although, I don't think you have a very good chance of getting someone good due to your most likely weak draft and having a mid round pick.

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241797.55 in reply to 241797.54
Date: 6/5/2013 7:28:31 PM
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ok. i still going for it cuz i wasnt expecting to make playoffs. i was going for 5th seed and 6th pick since like half the picks before me would have been to new to actually invest. and one was going bot. i had a chance but now idk but i already started so im going all in. those werent my top pick. my top pick was 5/4 and then its 5/3 then 4/3

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Date: 6/5/2013 9:42:14 PM
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I would do the 18 guy first then the 5/5 A+ guy Whois 19 as my 2nd pick. Maybe I get both, or the 19 if 18 guy is picked.

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241797.57 in reply to 241797.52
Date: 6/5/2013 9:52:50 PM
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We disagree on a lot of stuff. No surprise really.

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Date: 6/5/2013 11:45:55 PM
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Which is fine. I just don't appreciate you saying that I haven't thought something through by making a vague statement with no detail or backup information. I'm simply saying that regardless of how good a players skills are when they start out and whether they start out as an 18 or 19 year old, the higher potential a player has, the better that player can be. This is why I advise him to pick the 5/5 A+ 19 year old, because with MVP+ potential he will ultimately become a better player than the P. All-star-Superstar potential through time. Now if he wants his player to be better when they are 20-21 in order to make the U21 national team, then I would advise him to pick the younger player because he will be better when he is younger, but the higher potential player will surpass him later in his career.

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241797.59 in reply to 241797.58
Date: 6/6/2013 12:35:48 AM
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I don't want to presume to speak for anyone here, but I presume Beener understands and agrees with you that the higher potential means that the 19yo 5 potential player can theoretically become a better player than the 18yo 4 potential player, just like I think you understand and agree with Beener that missing the extra year of training puts the 19yo significantly behind the 18yo in terms of training, at least initially. I think Beener's point is that although the 19yo can eventually make up this difference and surpass the 18yo, it will take a lot of slow, laborious training during his later seasons when he is 25 years old or older to reach that greater potential. So although it is theoretically possible to make the 5/5 19yo a better player than the 5/4 18yo, his slower training makes it inefficient and impractical to do so.

And for those reasons, I would take the 18yo. But obviously there's room for debate there.

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241797.60 in reply to 241797.59
Date: 6/6/2013 2:24:25 AM
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I like your analysis. Personally I do not think that it is that impractical to train a 5/5 19 year old that you drafted to his full talent and although it is not as efficient as the 18 year old, I believe he is still worth it. I never pass up on 5/5 A+ players.

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241797.61 in reply to 241797.60
Date: 6/6/2013 9:27:07 AM
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Which is fine. I just don't appreciate you saying that I haven't thought something through by making a vague statement with no detail or backup information.


Fair enough, that was an unfair statement on my part.

That said, I was by know means being vague. My opinion was made quite clear and in a previous post I was also clear in my reasoning on why I would rank the 18 year old higher.

But I'll expand a little further. I think if you take a 19 year old that has MVP+ potential it's highly unlikely that they will ever reach their full potential due to missing their best/fastest season of training. Or they just end up being mono-skilled which greatly diminishes their value (destroys their value I would argue). So what's the point of having a player with higher potential if you can't ultimately use it or you just create a flawed player?

I think a lot of people get a little too obsessed with the potential but the smart owners are looking for well trained, well rounded players that give them great bang for their buck not just a roster full of $150K+ players. And any player per all-star and above can ultimately start in D1 so it's not like that's a level not worth training.

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241797.62 in reply to 241797.61
Date: 6/6/2013 10:15:02 AM
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Both of you make valid arguments.And I would say that it's up to personal taste to who you agree with.

Personally I believe that A+ players have the possibility to be quite better than the regular A guys. So this might make up a bit for the lost year. Furthermore I don't think that perennial allstars would be great starters in Div I unless it's as an SF (the can be OK starters maybe). For my C position I need at least MVP potential if I want a star. Superstars can be good for the other 4 positions but there's the risk that this guy is below superstar potential.

So I guess for me it depends on whether I want the guy to be the star player on my team or just a good player that will take less total time to train.


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