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From: whitewind

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Date: 6/12/2013 7:02:49 AM
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My qu: As the sole keen participant on the training side of the offsite forum this season, id like to know what people intend to do to ensure the offsite forum is revitalised. Im hearing excuses about a 2nd website people need to login to, but realistically, it offers far better information from an aussie player perspective than BB itself can, and is safe from offshore scouters. For the real keen trainers, I think it is an absolute must.

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From: Mickyster

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In my long rant I did mention wanting more variety within the squad. And not just for the changes with SB. If we can have options to swap players in and out based on teams needs each game we can take sides by surprise. Examples would be having players more focused on O or D. With options at each position we can alter how we defend and attack in each game. This I believe as you mentioned be vital for teams moving forward with the changes in the GE.

For me I would see this happening with guys half way through season when they are 20 asking a coach to alter his training if possible to focus on either attack or def. Then we will hopefully have options for team selections.

Also it is important to make sure we have players in each position. My boy Harry was the only PF in the squad when he was 20. This really limited Iwen's options with PF and SF. We really were only able to play SGs at SF.


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Only the creator of a Federation add and remove people from it.


not true

u can give admin rights 2 other peeps & they can do stuff like ad, drop, sticky etc

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Date: 6/12/2013 7:08:43 AM
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my question 2 the candidates is simple

look @ the schedule

4 should wins & 2 should loses

can ne of u guys get us 5 or even 6 wins?

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I only have the option of adding mods. No other options to assign right other then to transfer ownership.
And I have added 4 mods to Wombat.



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From: Mr J

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Date: 6/12/2013 7:20:26 AM
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In my long rant I did mention wanting more variety within the squad. And not just for the changes with SB. If we can have options to swap players in and out based on teams needs each game we can take sides by surprise. Examples would be having players more focused on O or D. With options at each position we can alter how we defend and attack in each game. This I believe as you mentioned be vital for teams moving forward with the changes in the GE.

For me I would see this happening with guys half way through season when they are 20 asking a coach to alter his training if possible to focus on either attack or def. Then we will hopefully have options for team selections.

Also it is important to make sure we have players in each position. My boy Harry was the only PF in the squad when he was 20. This really limited Iwen's options with PF and SF. We really were only able to play SGs at SF.



I agree with all that you have said, Mickyster and thank you for answering my question. The PF position, is a black hole at the moment for us. But I would like to add the following information for people to consider. I went through the teams in our conference (India, Lubnan, Sauid Arabia, Kazakstan, Iran and Indonesia) looking to see who they had on their current rosters in terms of positions and whether thier rosters perhaps signalled what I had referred to in my last post. That is, are they preparing for the GE changes to SB. Now, I realise these numbers are only a snapshot and not entirely accurate given that elections are running, coaches have yet to be decided and more importantly, players selected. However, here's what I found.

Number of players per position:

PG: 7
SG: 16
SF: 9
PF: 9
C: 18

I find it interesting data. It could suggest the disproportionate number of PGs to SGs (7-16 more than double the SGs) suggests that teams are already considering what I spoke of regarding teams preparing to run outside offenses and the need for more SGs with particular skill sets. The high number of Cs suggests--for me--that teams are reluctant to move away from LI offenses just yet or it could mean they are thinking nigs with higher SB will be needed, a skill they can get their managers to hammer if required.

Now, the data above doesn't include Australia. Australia has 3 x PGs, 1 x SG, 3 x SFs, 0 x PFs and 2 Cs. Clearly we have issues that the next U21 NT Coach will need to address quickly if we are to compete with the teams in our conference. PFs, as Mickyster rightly highlighted, are an immediate concern. For me, the ratio of 3:1 for PGs to SGs will have to be adjusted quickly too. We will need outside offensive capabilities. We also have the most SFs than any other team in our conference. This may well be a great advantage and one we can use on either offense or defense depending on their skill sets.

So, these are the facts. Knowing what we need, what we will need them for and having the variety of players with a variety of skill sets to choose from becomes a priority for the next U21 NT Coach.




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Looking at the 2 games that could be a issue. They are the last 2 games. So for me getting 5 is possible. One would need to keep an eye on both sides and bank some enthus and pick the game we could win and go for it hard. How we do that would depend on the final make up and how each team plays over the early part of the season. But having both later means we can access where we are at, how we and they are going and make a call on what we need and how to get it closer to the game. Early on I would like to get players training suited to a possible need for winning those games and take it form there. The 2 loses last season where vs same team. In game one we had them even or below on all ratings other then Off Flow. @nd game they had a much higher IS while we had a higher ID.

Again as part of this we would by then have a better idea of the changes to the GE which would need to be taken into consideration when working out the best way to play those games. For vital games I would call upon some of the legends and bounce some ideas off them to take advantage of the brains trust we have here in this country. But in the end 1 person makes the call but getting some ideas to consider is always beneficial IMO.

From: Mr J

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Date: 6/12/2013 7:24:54 AM
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my question 2 the candidates is simple

look @ the schedule

4 should wins & 2 should loses

can ne of u guys get us 5 or even 6 wins?


Good question, Big Fish, but seriously...how can we answer this yet? Without knowing what the rosters on all teams look like, I don't think we can comment with any substance. As I've just posted, until we decide on our own team (what it will comprise of) and address our immediate issues (no PFs...lack of SGs) we can't answer that question realisstically imo.

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Date: 6/12/2013 7:31:08 AM
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I might just add to that, Big Fish that if I could see the draftees and prospects I would have a better idea of who will be on the radar for future seasons and who could come into the team now. I have been trying to get info from BBstats but having no luck. :-(

From: Mr J

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Date: 6/12/2013 7:38:05 AM
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My qu: As the sole keen participant on the training side of the offsite forum this season, id like to know what people intend to do to ensure the offsite forum is revitalised. Im hearing excuses about a 2nd website people need to login to, but realistically, it offers far better information from an aussie player perspective than BB itself can, and is safe from offshore scouters. For the real keen trainers, I think it is an absolute must.


I will NOT be revitalising the offsite forum if I get the job, whitewind. I will always encourage managers to go to it for the great wealth of knoweldge stored in there...but we need a federation that is easier to navigate and not so cumbersome...

...and we are not referring to a second 'website' but a federation within BB on the forums page that you can access as easily as you access the Wombat thread...

From: ezlife

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Too much blah blah, I went through quickly.

I would not do anything to get the people involved on any sort of forum. Get real man, they get involved if they want to, it's not up to you. However, I'd be glad to participate if something interesting is up.

Taking one game after another. You don't know the players you'll get, you can't predict injuries and game shape issues. There is only one thing I know: I'm good at getting the best out of the available players.

SB change? Who cares! You can't force a manager to train SB or anything else on their kid. Merchandise revenue is minimal for the U21 NT, they should have no interest in following that kind of advice. I'll be happy with the kids being trained and will eventually propose advice for one's personnal interest and not for the U21. I'm confident it's possible to win with better secondaries in a salary efficient conception. I think my team has shown a good example of this last season.

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