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275166.52 in reply to 275166.41
Date: 11/15/2015 3:40:54 PM
Tunjevina
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Can you train and be competitive in 1 league of Serbia for the title? Hmm, I guess not.

You can, KK Mordor won some of his titles while he trained players. There is also this new GS rule that can help managers who train and are competitive for the trophy.

I expect to have around 30m in about 4-5 seasons, so this would impact me as well, and I'll have to change my plans a little. We will just have to rely on our knowledge of strategy, training and tactics in order to win, and not so much in the knowledge of making money. It will improve the competitiveness and it will be more challenging, so I completely support this idea and can't wait until it's implemented!

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Date: 11/15/2015 4:35:08 PM
Edson Rush
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The new prerequisites are: at least 60 skill points and a salary no higher than $60 000"


I don't get why they did that. Why not just FA everyone above 60 TSP? Teams will still have the same number of players, but since less high level players are available, not only will the price of these players go up, but top level teams will start looking at less skilled alternatives which would raise low salary player prices as well.

Also this new luxury tax could actually end up benefiting teams with the most money. Teams that currently have huge amounts of money (ie 30 million) may have a permanent advantage over other teams because the new tax could make it impossible for other teams to get that kind of money. The mega-rich teams could use some of their money to buy a team of world class players and excellent trainees to avoid the tax, but essentially, if you take into account the value of their assets (ie their players), they would have the same amount of money, as long as they didn't dramatically overpay or buy old, skill dropping players.

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275166.54 in reply to 275166.46
Date: 11/15/2015 4:55:54 PM
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Might be an unpopular opinion but I would support docking teams for getting relegated; more for 8th place finishers and less for relegation series losers. And of course teams wouldn't get penalized for getting relegated in their first 2/3 seasons.

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275166.55 in reply to 275166.24
Date: 11/15/2015 5:06:19 PM
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If you are such an expert, you should have either spoken up earlier, or offer some advice now...

As we do not know the full details any panicking is useless.

Oh, I manage over € 250 million in assets if that somewhat helps to solidify my statements...

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Date: 11/15/2015 5:17:04 PM
Headless Thompson Gunners
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I don't get why they did that. Why not just FA everyone above 60 TSP? Teams will still have the same number of players, but since less high level players are available, not only will the price of these players go up, but top level teams will start looking at less skilled alternatives which would raise these players prices as well.

Also this new luxury tax could actually end up benefiting teams with the most money. Teams that currently have huge amounts of money (ie 30 million) may have a permanent advantage over other teams because the new tax could make it impossible for other teams to get that kind of money. The mega-rich teams could use some of their money to buy a team of world class players and excellent trainees to avoid the tax, but essentially, if you take into account the value of their assets (ie their players), they would have the same amount of money, as long as they didn't dramatically overpay or buy old, skill dropping players.


Yes O Bear, think you knocked it out of the park
Certainly my plan would be to invest in players
Of course that would be the plan for all bothered by tax and thus push those players to never be affordable to those that don't yet have money

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Date: 11/15/2015 5:46:18 PM
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How are you exactly penalized for getting relegated, except that obvious incoming loss, which is quite normal?

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Date: 11/15/2015 5:46:28 PM
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Most of the managers in higher division are not targeting players on the TL under 60k except as backups. If there is not a good supply of higher salary players, the price will increase drastically. If they can't find a player under 60k on the TL, they will buy the next best option which will drive the price up of the 30k-60k salary players that most DIII managers use as the starters. The chain reaction continues down the supply curve screwing the lower, inexperienced managers that were suppose to be helped.

What we don't know is if the increase in supply of players under 60k will be able to counteract the increase in demand. In addition, some type of hoarders taxes could possible result in hundreds of millions of TL spending as hoarders scramble to buy players before the tax goes into effect and an increase in the promotion bonus will add to that spending as well. More spending meets more competition for players, and higher prices.

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275166.61 in reply to 275166.59
Date: 11/15/2015 7:35:42 PM
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What we don't know is if the increase in supply of players under 60k will be able to counteract the increase in demand.

To be more precise, we don't even know there will be any increase in supply of any players at all. Remember that at the start of last season the news made it sound like Marin was increasing the supply of TA's when he did just the opposite. Does anyone really believe he has seen the light now?

This whole thing could be fixed very simply, completely and with finality. Look, the guys playing the game as a financial exercise are having a great time accumulating millions. Marin is doing all he can to help them by rewarding "training" at any cost to any other strategy. The guys playing the game as a basketball sim are having a miserable time, and things get worse by the season. All Marin really needs to do is acknowledge the reality that we all know exists now, quit pretending this is a basketball sim any more, acknowledge that it has morphed into a financial exercise in which the commodity traded is fake basketball players, and "winning" is based on how many millions of dollars you can amass. The guys who want to keep playing the financial exercise will have it all their way, the guys who want a basketball sim can find one elsewhere, Marin and the owners can advertise and grow the game for what it really is, and everybody wins.

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275166.62 in reply to 275166.59
Date: 11/15/2015 10:46:24 PM
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Most of the managers in higher division are not targeting players on the TL under 60k except as backups. If there is not a good supply of higher salary players, the price will increase drastically. If they can't find a player under 60k on the TL, they will buy the next best option which will drive the price up of the 30k-60k salary players that most DIII managers use as the starters. The chain reaction continues down the supply curve screwing the lower, inexperienced managers that were suppose to be helped.

What we don't know is if the increase in supply of players under 60k will be able to counteract the increase in demand. In addition, some type of hoarders taxes could possible result in hundreds of millions of TL spending as hoarders scramble to buy players before the tax goes into effect and an increase in the promotion bonus will add to that spending as well. More spending meets more competition for players, and higher prices.


I guess I don't actually realize how it was before in terms of the salary cap for FA's, but now, if I went bot, four of my starters would be too high in salary to hit the TL, so they'd retire? Same thing if I just flat out fired them? Dang. That seems weird. Seems like it will make those players much more valuable when they do get placed on the TL.

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