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I've dug up the rules and added them to the forum part.

Now everyone knows about it. (and not to worry. i'll keep an eye on the english community)

Last edited by AthrunZala at 6/3/2012 2:43:16 PM

Sorry Joe

Rules are rules. If you start turning a blind eye to one small thing, then you might as well turn a blind eye to more things, which will get you to a certain point to where you are wondering, where will the line be drawn. Rules are supposed to be respected, and each BB-staff ( be it BB, GM, LA or Mod) should try to be sure that they are respected. As a matter of fact, each member should encourage to follow the rules. the only difference is that some BB-staffmembers can edit other posts, where as others can issue official warnings.

But we are discussing things that don't have anything to do with this topic. if you want to continue this conversation, open a new one with a correct subject.

Last edited by AthrunZala at 6/4/2012 6:30:14 AM

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I've dug up the rules and added them to the forum part.

Now everyone knows about it. (and not to worry. i'll keep an eye on the english community)

That was not my goal.I suppose there exist other countries where they post U21/NT prospects on their forum and I have no problem with that. I'm just surprised that it was a belgian GM, moreover the NT coach, who comes to make "the police". You should have closed your eyes and used your time to search the real cheaters rather than looking after futilities.

before reading any reaction to this post, I'd already like to reply.

GMs are the police. And if they notice something which is not alowed they should act.
Furthermore GMs can not read the entire forums in BB, so don't shoot if they missed something.
And also: don't shoot if they go and have a look after they have been informed about something.
And more: please do NOT request GMs to close eyes on something. It will not happen.
Belgian GMs are not there to protect the Belgian NT, nor to protect you or any other individual. Belgian GMs are there to make BB 'as a whole' better and as fair for everyone as possible.
each breaking of a rule can never be seen as futile.
Being a manager of a team, or a NT manager, or any other 'player-use' has to be seen totally separated from being GM.

I also would like to comment it is perfectly legal to make a thread with NT or even U21 prospects. What is illegal is advertising them when the are transferred.

example: you can post 'players X, Y and Z are good prospects for our future NT'
you can NOT post 'player A is a good prospect for our NT, please have a look, he's on the TL now!!

notice the diffrence: in one post there is no mentioning about the players being transferred.
Also be advised that it will NOT work to post the first example each time a prospect is being transferred. We can judge if the post is posted for information purposes (to tell people who are prospects) or when it is posted for advertising (to lure people to the TL).



Last edited by Lord of Doom at 6/4/2012 11:10:02 AM

Wheither Astra is an ex-GM or not, that doesn't matter. As for the posts of GM-Arsjitekt, i hadn't paid attention to those, and I assume he wasn't up to date 100% on those things either. However, unless the BB's or Senior GM's decide to change the rule, that rule will be respected. Not everyone knows all the rules by heart ( i don't know each single detail and even i sometimes need to recheck the rules on some details, because i ain't sure of them). However, i know them now, i've checked them up with the senior GM's, and the answer was pretty clear what is allowed and what not. Hence i've passed it down here and those rules will be upheld unless they are changed Joe.

It ain't because it's the Belgian community that we'll do any favors. And as for GM-Arsjitekt, i'll send him a little mail to remind him about it, since i assume he wasn't clear on it. Their is a slight problem that nothing is mentioned about it in the game manual and aslong as that ain't clearly mentioned, it's up to the GM's interpretation unless he knows the rules clearly. I've received a link to the post about advertising concerning NT/U21 players and their prospects, and they now have been added to the forum rules which can be found in the sticky, and thus shall be followed unless a BB or a senior GM tells me otherwise.

the post by Astragoth you point me too says what I said: you can discuss prospects, not sell.
It's clearly stated in his last paragraph.

as for the posts you mention about the players on the TL: we have said seasons ago that NT or U21 coaches can announce if players on their squad are on the TL, but nobody else. Arsjitekt was U21 at that time. Reading the posts more carefully now, I realise those players probably where not on the squad at that time (but can't check that anymore), and if that is the case, he indeed was not alowed to post those.
I also hadn't noticed this with Laurens his post, but someone else did notice, so it was right to act on it.

There is no question about tolerating things or not. I spend a lot less time on BB then I used to. This is known. But it also implies I am missing a lot of what is going on. But when something is noticed, there is action. Like Revo said: if we start tolerating stuff, where will the line be drawn.

Please do not judge us on forums we are not moderating. If other Mods are not doing what they are supposed to do, you should blame them, not us.

Well the thing was that those post by Architect make me think that it was allowed to post something like that...
Because he's a GM afterall!
But it's good to know that I'm not allowed to do that... Of course I want to respect the rules, but as Revo stated I don't know the rules by heart. I will pay attention to it next time and I will not post any not-selected players on the forum!

nobody knows all the rules. Every now and then, a GM has to recheck the rules. Those manuals sometimes need new translations, which means they've been modified in some way. GM's don't read the game manual each season or so. However, we do check it when we are in doubt. I doubted it, so i wanted to check up on it.

And just to be clear, i've asked for it to be mentioned in the manual, that way the discussion will be over and once it's in the manual, all confusion about what is allowed, will be gone. The rules posted on the forum rules ( the sticky in our belgian community) was a copy of what was written on the GM forum when that question was asked.

And just for the sake of mentioning it, i've also asked for a review of the rule that might include prospects. problem with it tho is that if prospects are included in the advertising then it's going to open up advertising for all high potential drafts each season... So let's give the BB's the time to check up on the rule and re-evaluate it, after which they'll add it to the game manual. Once it's written their, it's clear for anyone and all GM's, LA's and Mods will be able to intervene accordingly.

last few things:

@ Joe: while GM-Arsji was U21 coach, i assumed he knew what he could and could not do, so i didn't check it either ( my bad). i've send Arsji a mail with a reminder and a reference to the topic where it was discussed and all posts were taken away. GM's are only humans, they make mistakes aswell ( that is why their is an appeal system). Arjsi had probably forgotten about it, and let's leave it at that.

@ Laurens: nobody is blaming you. I didn't issue a formal warning, since i doubt it was required ( and it's hard to issue one if that part ain't mentioned in teh game manual or on the forum prior to when i posted it in the sticky), so no harm done.

Now that those things were mentioned, i suggest we end the discussion here and now., let's end this discussion here and now. This topic is supposed to go about U21/NT information, and we've got several posts about GM's decisions/rules here.
If someone wants to continue this discussion, open a proper topic about it.





Now to get back on topic: as you all know, their is a french 2-3 monthly little magazine that comes out concerning BB (name: Buzzerbeater echo). Usually, Sum did the resume about the U21 and NT ( aswell as BBBL) for it, however, i think he's forgotten about it ( come to think of it, i haven't heard anything from him for a long long while, snif)

If their is anyone willing to take up that task of writting something about U21/NT for that 'magazine', please let me know. Qualifications that are needed are:

*) you need to be fluent in french writting
*) you need to have a sence of humor and some creativity aswell

that way, we can keep atleast some news from the belgian community about it in that magazine ( and that said, Sum was a genius when it came to creatitivy. I enjoyed many of his articles). So if someone would want to do that, it would be great to see them come forth.

GM-Revo

ps: anyone aware if the dutch do something simular?

Well the thing was that those post by Architect make me think that it was allowed to post something like that...
Because he's a GM afterall!
But it's good to know that I'm not allowed to do that... Of course I want to respect the rules, but as Revo stated I don't know the rules by heart. I will pay attention to it next time and I will not post any not-selected players on the forum!

which is totally understandable.
if we would judge you knew about it and posted intentionally, we would have sanctioned you for it.

as far as I know, all Revo did was point out to everyone what is alowed and what not.

It's just sad someone has to fight such info.

And just for the sake of mentioning it, i've also asked for a review of the rule that might include prospects. problem with it tho is that if prospects are included in the advertising then it's going to open up advertising for all high potential drafts each season...

that would be easely abused.
who is going to judge if a youth is a prospect or not? if the U21 or NT managers judges he is, then he is, so any player could then be advertised...

the reason we alowed advertisement of U21 or NT players on the squad , is to prevent players who already made the cut, to go to waste.
Prospects didn't prove anything yet, there is so many factors that will lead to the prospect NOT being fit to enter the squad after all, so there is no reason to advertise them on the forums.
Per definition player advertisements on forums where forbidden a while ago. An exception was made for a select group of special players.
To alow it for a much bigger group of prospects is not what was intented.