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Their flow was higher than ours. Not quite a whole rating above. The same with their inside shooting, and both defensive ratings. We had an edge on rebounding, but it didn't matter because they didn't give us a lot of opportunities to rebound.

You mention gdp, which I'm sure everyone is looking at, and saying, well, obviously they were going to use LI. Next week's game, to them, would seem to be even more important than the one against us. I don't feel it is obvious that they were going to use LI, in advance of the game, when it possibly rules out its use next week. Of course, perhaps Finland think its obvious Lithuania will guess LI so they used it against us instead. Perhaps I should have seen that but we're not at a very confusing level of thinking.

Last week, Finland's game shape was very different to this week. I mentioned during the game last week that I wished we were playing Finland then. And our game shape was lower than last week.

Our LI was not obious. I had several different toughts about our tactic. It changed few times at weekend, so it was kind of right thing to do, not to guess our tactics. But, at the end we still used that LI...

Heads up guys, you did what you could.

Cheers!

I don't think we can fault Gully here, Finland are a superb team with extremely well trained players, to see their SF's hold off marshall and their PF's and C's hold off our inside as well as they did is testimony to their strength. We have now maybe 2 or 3 players with ok game shape capable of being part of a team that would have given them a run for their money, they have a whole team of players with high total stats.

I would really love to see those of us keen to train players NT capable come around a table and work on a 2 year strategy (8 season). I would love to see us do what Finland have managed to do, with about 15-20 managers committed to training quality players and working together, they have crafted an incredible squad that made our boys look like amateurs.

Let's all play our part in crafting the national team and maybe just maybe we can be celebrating success one day.

Personally, I think the right thing was done not using GDP as if it was wrong then that was us done. Not guessing allowed us a shot at testing Finland and as Vecx said they played a fantastic game and held off three of the nations best players.
Looking forward, I think it shows that we can compete with teams higher ranked than us and that England as a community is on the up and if continued in the way its being managed at the minute, we'll be up there fighting for the Euros. Credit to all managers for there hard work this season, pity some of the star players GS were not what we wanted but we have to the positives out of the games.

And gully, you've made some tough calls this year and been excellent with the team you have had each week due to the absences of key players, great credit to you and everyone involved within the community.

The injuries to Palit and Madelin and the poor shape of Singh certainly haven't helped us this season.

Your right there, hopefully next season we can stay injury free and have a good consolation tournament.

Palit hasn't been injured, but two of his team mates have, one of them twice. I think thats correct, it could even be more. So its fair to blame injuries for his absence too, rather than blaming his luckless manager.

I would really love to see those of us keen to train players NT capable come around a table and work on a 2 year strategy (8 season)

I'd love to see this but there's a couple of problems I see with it. It requires those people to put their team's interests second to the NT. I don't think most people want to do it.

The other problem is getting hold of the right trainees. I've tried to convince people its in their own interests to train or sell their rookies, its still not happening. I'm not even sure posting in every league in England has made a bit of difference.

I'd suggest putting together the best training minds in England to help those people who have trainees, whether they be NT/u21 or raggyarse rovers standard, to train them to their maximum, but I feel we'd just have the same problems I've already mentioned.

The other problem is getting hold of the right trainees. I've tried to convince people its in their own interests to train or sell their rookies, its still not happening. I'm not even sure posting in every league in England has made a bit of difference.

Not much more can be done there, unfortunately.

If someone has a good trainee and wants to help, but does not intend to train him properly (and this involves having to sacrifice some games), the best thing to do would be selling outside the "hot period" like 3-4 weeks into the season (hopefully the managers will give some training in those weeks). I lost the bidding on several trainees and especially a big man who would have fit perfectly with my current training regime because it went for sale in the first week and the bidding got completely out of hand.

I'd love to see this but there's a couple of problems I see with it. It requires those people to put their team's interests second to the NT. I don't think most people want to do it.

Most of the new managers can't do it. Not because they can't follow the instructions, but because they can't afford to buy players of a certain calibre. Realistically in order to train an NT hopeful you need to have the cash and you need to have the possibility to afford him down the line. So in general, "younger" managers will not be able to do it.

Their flow was higher than ours. Not quite a whole rating above. The same with their inside shooting

This is unclear to me. I do believe their inside shooting looked better because of the assists kept pouring in. Their big men were super efficient. More than a 60% of their successful shots was assisted (32/51), I wonder how many of the misses were also assisted but 32 assists on 89 FGA is a massive number. For their 9 extra baskets made they had 10 extra assists.

You mention gdp, which I'm sure everyone is looking at, and saying, well, obviously they were going to use LI. Next week's game, to them, would seem to be even more important than the one against us.

I never said it was obvious they would play LI. I did say that if there was a game where it made sense to use GDP, this was it. Granted, even guessing right might have not been enough to win the game and granted, even winning might have not been enough to reach the next stage. My point was that when you're an underdog losing by 15 or 30 makes no difference whatsoever.

We might all have to ask Morwood how you beat the #1 team in BB by injuring 2 opponent starters, clawing back 15 points in the last quarter and going level in the last few seconds in regulation on intentional fouling and 3pt shooting (taken and made by a guy who had 0 3pt attempts in 41 minutes thus far)...just in case.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/1/2014 7:26:06 PM

I am more than happy to be on this table to help train national team players and I'm more than happy that if two trainees with MVP potential or higher come up this season, I'll sell my current trainee and invest. However I have the same problem as Lemon, managers are selling draftees straight after the draft causing a lot of people to get involved in a bidding war and then the price becomes too high.

Hi All,

Bit of a ramble here but enjoy training and want the NT to do well and to produce players for it so here's my two pence;

It's tough training NT players is not very easy at all! Believe me as I'm trying to do it!

1. Had to outlay $700000 on 2 players!
2. In order to get them trained got knocked out of cup which cost me $250000-500000
3. went from second place to 2nd from bottom getting trainees minutes.
4. Even at that price I had to buy 19 year olds to get enough potential even at that price!

I'm hopefull that long term this will be worth it but I have some tough decisions to make with regards to training over next 6 weeks if I don't want to have to beat a tough team playing away in relegation series.

For me what might be needed to train players is a group of players who have a second team and commit to either using their English team as a NT player farm team while competing hard in utopia or vice versa buy English trainees for utopia and compete hard with initial side.

That way the trainers don't need to worry about wins losses etc

it would cost $10 but with no salary floor it should be possible to buy a decent trainee after year 1.

I don't think you can expect managers to take a hit on players prices when they are trying to compete, I had a u21 player I sold for $500000 but an English manager was saying he wasn't worth that price etc Unfortunately the market is changing and prices are going up. I want the maximum return on my investment so it makes sense to sell at market peak.

After that I would suggest that certain trainers like to train certain players, I like to train shooting guards/small forwards, other such as Arrows seem to like PG I'm sure another inside guys Tide of Fire produced 2 bigs so If the NT coach identifies who likes to train what and identifies talent for them to train that might be good too?

Good luck with any plan ;)

JB