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I guess this was meant for me rather than Hrudly.

Outside O's can compete but they cant win on the highest level only 1 has done it with motion in B3. which is really a mid range tactic more than outside.

everyone is different Manon some get the good trainer so they can sell on potentials.. I understand that point of view, but it not acost effective stance. why spend 75k in 8 games that's 600k$ spent. why not put that600k in your pocket ands save it then do arena every 8 games with a basic trainer. Which is the best way, which is faster?? which way would manager have more money and long term financial success.

If you understand the motion logic I bring with that, its a easy million or so in your pocket every season. Every manager pockets and you don't have to tank or lose to do so. that not counting game revenue, cup, selling payers. if combine all of those way i'm seeing 3-4 million a season.

It start cheap early to expensive late longterm.



Last edited by Mr. Glass at 4/26/2015 4:01:43 AM

And all this you posted is related to coaches-topic in which way .... it starts to annoy to read in a lot of different threads always the same old story.

everyone is different Manon some get the good trainer so they can sell on potentials.. I understand that point of view, but it not acost effective stance. why spend 75k in 8 games that's 600k$ spent. why not put that600k in your pocket ands save it then do arena every 8 games with a basic trainer. Which is the best way, which is faster?? which way would manager have more money and long term financial success.

Sure, if the choices are spend nothing or spend 75k/week on a trainer, more people would agree with you. Fortunately, a level 4 trainer with a 15k/week salary over a fourteen week season would cost all of $210,000, plus a small fee to acquire him (which would be low for a 14k+ starting salary). The difference between that and a level 1 guy is less than 200k per season, which hardly is the difference between success or failure long-term.

Your posts are always interesting, and someday we must visit each other's planet.

Last edited by GM-hrudey at 4/26/2015 11:49:01 AM

BB has not changed much, but I understand the point of view. I'm just stressing choice and be smart with your money

My point again why spend 250K plus 15 a week when can get one for free in the lowest level.? 2k a week= 8k a month rather than 120k-250 plus 15k a week.

On top of that a new comer and mid team get sometimes good players for free on the team , so why are they buying? My point again its wasteful spending, add up all that money saved they can do arena to my type and style in about 4 season. They wouldn't have to worry about players because they don't have any good anyway ,if so they can sell them away which is smart.

Do the draft the 6th season and buy smart on the market, get a real trainer3/4 as well. That's how you play it, with the arena built, tactics learn. , training learned, who is position to win. Who has money in the bank and don't have to buy players and create outside expenses long term. It called in great position to make money without spending. creating team net worth without spending. Invested in them self for cash for the future through arena and saving on cost to do early , which has nothing to do with training.

All that money come back to you. Which has nothing to do with training players, training player alone will never create mass revenue for success on BB. Alot don't understand the fan system . I wont explain it because again everyone thinks it hog wash. There a method to making money on BB and its damn sure isn't the market or training soley alone.

There are methods to this games the BB guide is limited detail, not full blown telling all, only telling some thing. You can train and buy level 4 trainer all day long but you'll never see the money you should have. Does that matter, yes it does. It creates a distance from the title winner from 2nd place in top league. the game is setup for those balanced success. which come in a lot of forms training/selling is just a small part of that. Arena is alway the key to success, creating revenue early is always the key to success n BB. A trained or level 4 trainer player will never equal outright success for your finances, never.

You have cut cost early and do those great things later, Don't spend what don't have to start and say it affordable because your training, Because you have not created any revenue to start to afford anything .Stay low in the budget

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 4/26/2015 1:43:50 PM

A having better roster means nothing on bb, those come and go. In 4-5 season had my arena to this amount with 700k to spare for other everyday team cost do they?

Again Roster means nothing on BB. It a lot great rosters on BB but do they have money in the bank today, no they dont some flipping and doing everything under the sun to afford that roster or a better to create revenue. I have bad team in your mind but guess what I can buy a whole league of those same utopias teams rosters and both of your rosters of players if I wanted too then in 1-2 season later have 3 million no flipping, no tanking, I don't need the Bb market. That's not to brag , but shouldn't it be the other way around if they so much better in the game ?

Financial success is the only thing that matter long term ,creating revenue without spending. If a team can not do that they are not successful nor better. Its called assuming which is what your doing, looking weak don't mean your weak. And yes they should have 6 million, but do they? I had it in same amount of time if not 3 million.

Whats the excuse now, market bad. Lol. What does have to do with being smart and knowing what they can afford to start. Dont spend what you don't have. Its marathon not a sprint, Training alone will never get anyone out any jams on BB.

They wanted people to train and they got it. But what else do they have? Training cost money, its not free, you and many other seem to not understand that. Cost to afford, equals can you afford the cost long term? Its a marathon Egm perpete... Is level 4 better yes of course , but they can they afford it ,no they cant. Because they have not built a stream of positive revenue to afford it long term.

Everything is based as a long term Investment on BB. 15k a week trainer and your players 4k is not a good investment. You just raised your cost to afford long term with players. Selling those player lose team net worth and future team revenue, you bank saving become useless, . So much for that way of thinking.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 4/26/2015 2:38:19 PM

On topic, I can't go through the entire thread, but I see most people talk about level 4 trainers with <15k salary <100k bid.

I believe level 3 is enough for a decent player, I usually get them with 7-8k salary, 1k bid.

I trained my allstar potential to 109 skills currently, and he probably has room for at least 3 more. I posted skills several times on the forums

11/12
12/12
12/9
13/10
9/9

I plan to push him to 112 skills next season

11/12
12/12
13/10
13/10
9/10 -about 26k salary

My only regret is taking too much IS, so I don't have room for SB now. I would change him to
11/12
12/12
13/10
10/10
9/17 -about 27k salary 116 skills

Doable with lvl 3 trainer and random draftee.

Last edited by Aleksandar at 4/26/2015 2:41:21 PM

My point again why spend 250K plus 15 a week when can get one for free in the lowest level.? 2k a week= 8k a month rather than 120k-250 plus 15k a week.

You don't need to spend 250k to buy the trainer. At a 14+k salary, you should be able to acquire one for less than 10k initial bid easily if you are any kind of patient. The 250k is the total for an entire season, between purchase and weekly salary, including the weekly increases. If someone came into the game the same season as you and I and banked that 250k/season, they'd have almost $4M now. I haven't really done training in the last several seasons but I am certain that I couldn't replace the value I've made on training with $4M cash - I'd still be in IV, most likely, watching teams continue to start up, get better than me, and then pass me by... and I suppose trying to lecture them about why they're doing it wrong too. ;)

Nice. I think if Utopia were restarting and I figured out something I wanted to do with that team, I'd give a level 3 trainer a long look. I did it probably the first half of the first season until level 4 guys started getting close to their regular price range again, and I didn't feel like I lost too much there either.