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270734.53 in reply to 270734.52
Date: 5/30/2015 9:09:55 AM
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about free agency working, this young good potential player is gone retired, with sum of skill 54 (and in right places),
i not think that are many 18years old better than this one from draft and was not enough
for became free agent in last couple of weeks.
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did you think that 18 years old will be not saved from free agency?


It looks like the team that drafted him was replaced. I am not sure personally whether the team was a bot at the time of the draft or not, but I don't think that the rules regarding players drafted by bot teams have been changed to allow them to be released. With great hesitation, I suggest that this might be an appropriate example to inquire about on the Bugs forum if we don't see an answer from Marin here, and remind everyone that the Bugs forum should be used strictly for reporting a potential bug, providing information to assist with investigation of resolution of a bug, and not for discussions about anything further.

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270734.56 in reply to 270734.50
Date: 5/30/2015 12:29:10 PM
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So my conclusion is that it is all well - give or take a few aspects - in the world of buzzerbeater that we have a training based game here.

Yes, training for profit is king. But what would have been wrong with a game where training is needed because it improves your roster, improving your competitive ability to win games, where training is needed because players are needed and training was an effective and efficient way to accomplish that ... instead of profit?

Last edited by Mike Franks at 5/30/2015 12:30:55 PM

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270734.59 in reply to 270734.56
Date: 5/30/2015 1:10:29 PM
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So my conclusion is that it is all well - give or take a few aspects - in the world of buzzerbeater that we have a training based game here.

Yes, training for profit is king. But what would have been wrong with a game where training is needed because it improves your roster, improving your competitive ability to win games, where training is needed because players are needed and training was an effective and efficient way to accomplish that ... instead of profit?


Training for profit certainly takes place, but I'm not sure it is 'king'.
I'd say most teams in the leagues I've been in over the years are doing exactly what you are suggesting in your "what would have been wrong with..." question above.

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270734.61 in reply to 270734.46
Date: 5/30/2015 2:28:53 PM
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True, but that's water over the dam. Marin's most recent post seems genuine to me. I commend him for that.
Agreed.

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270734.63 in reply to 270734.55
Date: 5/30/2015 3:56:25 PM
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So that your opinion remains, I am quoting the rest of your post before deleting it.

You commented:
The simplest way of putting it is that if it is possible to succeed just as much without training as it is with training, for a given team, then training is by definition a worthless addition for that game.

Let's examine this logic.
If X has as much chance as Y of succeeding, then X is a worthless addition to the game.
If A has as much chance of succeeding as B, then A is a worthless addition to the game.
If M has as much chance of succeeding as N, then M is a worthless addition to the game.

I'm afraid that won't fly.

And this game was designed so that training is a key feature.
Yes, that's what this game is all about, training. Training is king. I get it. In order to maximize training we even have to alter our lineups and be less competitive in terms of winning games.

Some people will buy that. Obviously some people are okay with that. I get it.

BTW, no one argued that training should be "a simple "click here to gain one week's training", [and] everyone would be doing it and there would be no strategy to it."

I understand training will continue to be the apex, the king, no matter what, so I think I'll bow out of the discussion. Not much point now to further scrutinize the merits of the matter or to even suggest that training is too slow, expensive or illogical. It is what it is.


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