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All your "disadvantages" and lack of safety are not because of the economy, but the number of competitive users in the country and that will not change. All your purchases are connected to the relative buying power of your division, if some manager from smaller country overpays for a player and you cant get him, well neither can anyone in your division. It only matters what player you can buy compared to your rivals.

Your team is already better then the teams from the same divisions and even most of higher divisions of smaller countrys and even a slightly bigger team salary cap. Naturally they make more profit because they have weaker players and can outbid the teams who operate near salary cap they can afford. Now i haven't read all the novels in this thread but as i understand you basicly want more money for you or less money for smaller country teams to even out the buying power. Well that would mean you want to sustain significantly higher salary cap than other leagues preventing them to ever catching up, how is that in any shape fair? Not only that but because of the level and activity of your managers they will make the purchases to keep up with the competition, hit the cap again and we are back to square one, only you will already have a huge advantage and the smaller leagues would still outbid you.

There is no economic solution to what you are talking about because there is no such problem. The problem you have is you have to compete against lots of good managers, the only way the playing field would be level if there would be one global league and let's face it would be ridiculous.

everything you have just said is the normal problems for every team in buzzerbeater when trying to upgrade a player.

the only reason small countries have it easier at the moment is that have not hit there salary caps.

again how do you not get this.

exactly what i have been saying for some 100 posts now lol.

honestly, no.

as I commented before, mark lenders is the only one who explained a problem that makes sense to me.

Actually you do have.
This is from you:

So, while you've helped me understand it, I don't get why people think this is such a major issue, compared to other major economic problems, such as:
- the current deflation which is undermining the value of training,

This was the reason why this thread was open, the market deflation.
The balance among different incomes/expenses is long gone and THAT is in my opinion the main problem.

the italian and spanish managers from what i can understand are upset that small country users earn more then they do
this is completely false

It's quite surprising that after so many posts you still believe this.
The arena income is strongly dependent on the record. To give you an example, my income drops from about 345k to 295k as soon as I lose the game before the home game (which is almost always an away game). If I lose more than one it drops even more.
And the record is strongly dependent on the competitiveness of your league.

its not surprising because its still true.

competitiveness effects your income yes , but your still capped at a certain amount for your div , which is the exact same cap for said div world wide.

again there is no problem here, its because you have hit your salary cap because of the competitiveness of your div.

the only thing you have stated here is that winning teams in your div earn more then teams losing which again is how its supposed to be and how it is globally .

WE CAN NOT CHANGE THE COMPETITIVENESS OF YOUR DIVISION'S.

the game is fair world wide , we all play by the same rules.

as i have said countless times the game for you guys is no longer about buying better players its about who can best tactically manage there team.

It's bizarre how people just don't get it:)

talking about yourself? :)

It's pointless to just give them more income knowing the same guys will be here after one player upgrade, claiming they make -x weekly.

Can you try to be a bit less unpolite?

the only thing you have stated here is that winning teams in your div earn more then teams losing

no, no and no. Try to read carefully and understand what I am writing!
What I have stated here is that an average manager in a small country will have a higher income coming from the arena attendance than the same manager in a contry where competition is higher (same league).
And that is simply because if your league is less competitive you can easily have a better record.

Last edited by Newton07 at 8/22/2010 4:54:30 AM

Well why don't you two post your economy pages and see who does earn more.
I don't see why you need any more though. Not like you're going to buy more players.

the italian and spanish managers from what i can understand are upset that small country users earn more then they do
this is completely false

It's quite surprising that after so many posts you still believe this.
The arena income is strongly dependent on the record. To give you an example, my income drops from about 345k to 295k as soon as I lose the game before the home game (which is almost always an away game). If I lose more than one it drops even more.
And the record is strongly dependent on the competitiveness of your league.

You do know that this is true for small countries leagues too, right? Surprisingly, there are no leagues with only 22-0 records. Ok, there are usually one or two stronger teams in the small countries div 2. But how many are those, 200? If those 200 users are buying all the players that 10 000 italiann and spanish users want, at an overpriced sum, then I guess they wont make such profits in the future.

With that said, I must add that most users in small countries are are not carrying roster salaries close to the cap, so they still make some money every week, but not because they are winning every game.

Edit: I think this argument was a huge factor before the arena cap for managers taking part in BBB, but now it still matters but not as much. My opinion any way.

Last edited by Mannen at 8/22/2010 5:29:36 AM

yes yes yes, try to read carefully what i am writing!!!
what you have stated only proves my point, an average manage in a competitive league does not do aswell as one in a non competitive league , of course that is true , its true all over the globe .

it how ever still is how the game is meant to be , its not an issue , a problem or anything like that.

once again all of your points do not carry any weight , you guys are at your cap , the better managers are those who can beat other teams that are also at there cap.

these so called problems still have nothing at all to do with the global economy , you cant expect any more money to come your way so stop trying round about ways to get it.

now you have stated an average manager will have more income coming from a small country this is not true , yes he will have more profit as his team is most likely no where near the cap for his league , but he will not have more income then an average manager in italy (same div) in fact the italian will have more due to tv contract and merch.

now our understanding of a average manager may be different , to me an average manager is one that sits in around 5th,6th,7th for more then 1 season with no real signs of improvement.

so lets say a div 3 aussie and a div 3 italian.

both sit in 6th with a 7-10 record.

both have the same size arena with same prices.

this brings in say 250k a week for both teams

the aussie has a squad salary total of 100k (which keeps him average)
the italian has a squad salary total of 320k (which keeps him average)

the aussie earns lets say 40k tv rights and 35k merch so + 75k
the italian earns lets say 60k tv rights and 55k merch so +115k (because of strong league)

so overall the aussie gets 325k a week total
the italian gets 365k a week total

AND YOUR ASKING FOR MORE MONEY ARE YOU KIDDING!!!

now yes the aussie team profits more then the italian team , but this is ONLY because the aussie HAS NOT HIT HIS SALARY CAP.

while in this example the italian is very close to his salary cap with only 45k a week coming in, the reason for this is not a bad economy or because there is a problem IT IS BECAUSE ITS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT, the team is almost capped thus can no longer make a good profit each week to be a power on the tl.
to be a power on the tl he must make some sales FULL STOP , again how dont you get this.

yes im aware i left out staff and such but there where not needed in my example.

now if you meant an average manager as someone sitting in div 3 with 100k salaries going 22-0 or 20-2 or anything that gets him top 2 spots , then to me he is not an average manager at all , his a great manager his kept his salaries low and still managed to come out on top thus maxing the amount of net profit he can make each week.
this again is a VALID MOVE on his part as there is no need for him to upgrade until the teams his beating start upgrading.

this is called being a good manager.

as far as i can see most italian and spanish managers have over exerted them selves financially trying to win now which has started a chain reaction , thus causing the rest of there div to do the same because there scared of demotion , tis then leaves all the teams in that div running at almost zero profit while winning, then when they lose they go into the red , instead of realising the real cause of this they blame the economy and ask for it to be fixed by

A, giving them more money
B, limiting the money of other countries

both of these options are a joke.

the real problem is your all trying to win each season via the tl now that you have hit the salary cap your at a loss of what to do , you and the other teams in your league have over exerted yourself trying to win and are now stuck in a battle with the other managers that have done so.
the choice you have is to beat the other teams tactically, or sell off some players and find players with lower salaries that are more balanced.