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the only thing you have stated here is that winning teams in your div earn more then teams losing

no, no and no. Try to read carefully and understand what I am writing!
What I have stated here is that an average manager in a small country will have a higher income coming from the arena attendance than the same manager in a contry where competition is higher (same league).
And that is simply because if your league is less competitive you can easily have a better record.

Last edited by Newton07 at 8/22/2010 4:54:30 AM

Well why don't you two post your economy pages and see who does earn more.
I don't see why you need any more though. Not like you're going to buy more players.

the italian and spanish managers from what i can understand are upset that small country users earn more then they do
this is completely false

It's quite surprising that after so many posts you still believe this.
The arena income is strongly dependent on the record. To give you an example, my income drops from about 345k to 295k as soon as I lose the game before the home game (which is almost always an away game). If I lose more than one it drops even more.
And the record is strongly dependent on the competitiveness of your league.

You do know that this is true for small countries leagues too, right? Surprisingly, there are no leagues with only 22-0 records. Ok, there are usually one or two stronger teams in the small countries div 2. But how many are those, 200? If those 200 users are buying all the players that 10 000 italiann and spanish users want, at an overpriced sum, then I guess they wont make such profits in the future.

With that said, I must add that most users in small countries are are not carrying roster salaries close to the cap, so they still make some money every week, but not because they are winning every game.

Edit: I think this argument was a huge factor before the arena cap for managers taking part in BBB, but now it still matters but not as much. My opinion any way.

Last edited by Mannen at 8/22/2010 5:29:36 AM

yes yes yes, try to read carefully what i am writing!!!
what you have stated only proves my point, an average manage in a competitive league does not do aswell as one in a non competitive league , of course that is true , its true all over the globe .

it how ever still is how the game is meant to be , its not an issue , a problem or anything like that.

once again all of your points do not carry any weight , you guys are at your cap , the better managers are those who can beat other teams that are also at there cap.

these so called problems still have nothing at all to do with the global economy , you cant expect any more money to come your way so stop trying round about ways to get it.

now you have stated an average manager will have more income coming from a small country this is not true , yes he will have more profit as his team is most likely no where near the cap for his league , but he will not have more income then an average manager in italy (same div) in fact the italian will have more due to tv contract and merch.

now our understanding of a average manager may be different , to me an average manager is one that sits in around 5th,6th,7th for more then 1 season with no real signs of improvement.

so lets say a div 3 aussie and a div 3 italian.

both sit in 6th with a 7-10 record.

both have the same size arena with same prices.

this brings in say 250k a week for both teams

the aussie has a squad salary total of 100k (which keeps him average)
the italian has a squad salary total of 320k (which keeps him average)

the aussie earns lets say 40k tv rights and 35k merch so + 75k
the italian earns lets say 60k tv rights and 55k merch so +115k (because of strong league)

so overall the aussie gets 325k a week total
the italian gets 365k a week total

AND YOUR ASKING FOR MORE MONEY ARE YOU KIDDING!!!

now yes the aussie team profits more then the italian team , but this is ONLY because the aussie HAS NOT HIT HIS SALARY CAP.

while in this example the italian is very close to his salary cap with only 45k a week coming in, the reason for this is not a bad economy or because there is a problem IT IS BECAUSE ITS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT, the team is almost capped thus can no longer make a good profit each week to be a power on the tl.
to be a power on the tl he must make some sales FULL STOP , again how dont you get this.

yes im aware i left out staff and such but there where not needed in my example.

now if you meant an average manager as someone sitting in div 3 with 100k salaries going 22-0 or 20-2 or anything that gets him top 2 spots , then to me he is not an average manager at all , his a great manager his kept his salaries low and still managed to come out on top thus maxing the amount of net profit he can make each week.
this again is a VALID MOVE on his part as there is no need for him to upgrade until the teams his beating start upgrading.

this is called being a good manager.

as far as i can see most italian and spanish managers have over exerted them selves financially trying to win now which has started a chain reaction , thus causing the rest of there div to do the same because there scared of demotion , tis then leaves all the teams in that div running at almost zero profit while winning, then when they lose they go into the red , instead of realising the real cause of this they blame the economy and ask for it to be fixed by

A, giving them more money
B, limiting the money of other countries

both of these options are a joke.

the real problem is your all trying to win each season via the tl now that you have hit the salary cap your at a loss of what to do , you and the other teams in your league have over exerted yourself trying to win and are now stuck in a battle with the other managers that have done so.
the choice you have is to beat the other teams tactically, or sell off some players and find players with lower salaries that are more balanced.

I cannot be sure to create certain budget if I want to make a market move,because I'm in dependence of the crazy market,without even have the possibility to save a little amount of money every week,absorbing the oscillations of the market

To create the budget I have to make weaker temporarily my team,and I have more possibilities to lose game playing in an overall competitive league(the last team of my conference has beaten the first of the other division yesterday (23043809)

I can be outbidden by users that have a surely higher cash flow than the mine every week,and this indipendetely by the skills of the manager(that could be good or bad) - ethical disdvantage -



These are things that every team in the BB world had to do,indipendetly from the amount of the money they have?
That's the question.It's not "only" easier,the fact that whout should be a system that create temporarily distortion in the market to allow everyone to reach the same level,is still in the same condition that it was 10 seasons ago(and in fact,trying to put a patch to a situation that was escaped by control,the BBS changed some seasons ago the Tv contract systm,but wasn't enough),it's a problem.
I don't care about the amount of the money,I care that the market should give the same possibilities and should require the same efforts to everyone.

You surely don't read all my post,because I said that the best solution would be if the teams of small countries quickly rise up their level,to have the same possibilties,and then see whoo is the best,in their country and all over the world....but you see this thing happen soon?

(continued)

another choice would be to go for a lv 1 trainer which will open up some more money for you salary cap wise and in a season or so's time fill that extra cap room giving you an advantage on court over managers still doing proper training.
yes you sacrifice training a young player that you could sell or keep , but thats what this game is about sacrifice something to win now or sacrifice winning now to build to win later.

YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL

you cant have great players with huge salaries (for your div) and still be running at a profit or be a power on the tl.
its not possible.

again THE ONLY WAY TO BE A POWER ON THE TL ONCE YOU HIT YOUR SALARY CAP IS TO BE RISKY AND MAKE SALES.

hopefully doing so will help you build a better team but that is the risk you take.

the aussie has a squad salary total of 100k (which keeps him average)
the italian has a squad salary total of 320k (which keeps him average)

so overall the aussie gets 325k a week total
the italian gets 365k a week total

These numbers,also if they are not accurate(we earn 300k and we spend 290-300-310k,we doesn't have any weekly income,if we don't make some risky strategy) says a thing

If you put your money on the market,you will always beat the italian team.

This should allow you to reach fastly the cap,improving your team,winning game and so on.So you can have this temporarily advantage.How much time do you need to use this advanatge,if after 10 seasons the situation is the same?

for gods sake its not an advantage , you dont have the profits because you have the great players how dont you get that!!!

and the reason we dont catch up as quick is because no one is going to rush to the cap when they dont need to , smart managers will get players that are good enough to win there league with as low salary as possible , theres no need for us to rush to the cap , but we are gradually moving towards it.

this does not make us bad managers , it makes us smart managers.

again how do you not get this.

IF YOUR TEAM IS AT ITS SALARY CAP OR VERY CLOSE TO IT YOU DO NOT REPEAT DO NOT NEED TO BE BUYING NEW PLAYERS ON THE TL.

the above numbers where an example , an example that proved what every other manager is trying to tell you.

you guys earn more money as it is then teams with the same record as you in smaller less competitive countries.

STOP ASKING FOR MORE MONEY AND BETTER MANAGE YOUR OWN TEAM AGAINST YOUR OWN DIV

sorry.

I will give my economy page information so we can compare high order teams for div3.
See if we can come to a solution :>