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Okay here are young players:

Papa Sow (16404666)
Point Guard
Owner: AS La Patrie

Weekly salary: $ 5 033

DMI: 12400
Age: 19
Height: 5'9" / 175 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: average

Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: average Handling: respectable
Driving: mediocre Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: awful
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: pitiful

Experience: atrocious
Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 103 recent transfers of 19 year old point guards with respectable passing and star potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Papa Sow have been selling for around $ 40 000 to $ 450 000.

Sold for: $ 178 000. The TPE is giving a range of 410k so obviously the player will probably be in there. And yet the player was on the lower end of the TPE. Giving a TPE with such a big range is useless,

Pablo Matías Hasquiry (14610487)
Point Guard
Owner: Unión Vecinal de La Plata

Weekly salary: $ 4 117

DMI: 5900
Age: 19
Height: 6'1" / 185 cm
Potential: 6th man
Game Shape: awful

Jump Shot: average Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: mediocre Handling: respectable
Driving: average Passing: average
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: awful Free Throw: strong

Experience: atrocious
Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 16 recent transfers of 19 year old point guards with respectable handling and 6th man potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Pablo Matías Hasquiry have been selling for around $ 8 000 to $ 150 000.

He sold for $ 6 000. So the TPE gives a huge margin of error and still gets it wrong.


Veselin Penkov (16391115)
Shooting Guard
Owner: TSybwme

Weekly salary: $ 3 074

DMI: 27800
Age: 18
Height: 6'3" / 190 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: proficient

Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: average Handling: awful
Driving: pitiful Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: inept
Rebounding: atrocious Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: inept Free Throw: average

Experience: atrocious

Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 12 recent transfers of 18 year old shooting guards with average jump range and star potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Veselin Penkov have been selling for around $ 3 000 to $ 25 000.

Current Bid: $ 300 000 by TSybwme
Auction Ends: 8/26/2010 5:00:53 PM

So that shows that TPE is not even close to estimating the price.

Rasit Esref Sariyildiz (17158875)
Point Guard
Owner: iZMiR ZoN

Weekly salary: $ 3 202

DMI: 16400
Age: 19
Height: 5'10" / 178 cm
Potential: superstar
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: inept Handling: average
Driving: awful Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: awful
Rebounding: atrocious Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: awful Free Throw: respectable

Experience: atrocious
Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 51 recent transfers of 19 year old point guards with respectable passing and superstar potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Rasit Esref Sariyildiz have been selling for around $ 1 000 to $ 20 000.

Current Bid: $ 51 000 by Club Sarrin
Auction Ends: 8/26/2010 5:12:45 PM

The price is probably going to go up more and it shows that the TPE is once again completely wrong.

Papa Sow (16404666)... The range it gives is the price between the highest and lowest sold... He is in that range.

Pablo Matías Hasquiry (14610487)... No standout skill and terrible secondaries... Still only 2k short of the estimate.

Veselin Penkov (16391115)... That is based on average JR when the player has 2 gurd skills a respectable and also a secondary. That is an issue with that individual players TPE being wrong because of an inaccurate calculation

Rasit Esref Sariyildiz (17158875)... Someone grossly overpaying for potential. That player is not worth 50k

Now once again, stay on topic! You are meant to be showing me a young player is more valuable with all round skills than someone with higher primaries...

And working only on the highest skill mean that you have no idea on the players that the TPE consider
If a player has marvelous JS,but inept in Od can't be compared with a player marvelous in JS and marvelous in OD

Firstly, a guard with marvelous JS and inept OD (both primary guard skills) would sell for much less than one with marvelous OD. It would most likely tell you that the player is probably the worst of the players the estimate is generated on. But when have I said to neglect primary skills and concentrate on a single skill?

I was not talking about you,I was talking about how TPE works
I didn't talk in this thread of nothing except of the TPE system
And the TPE system works bad,for the reasons that I and other users wrote in the previous posts
As you(human user) can't compare a player with marvelous JS and inept Od with a player marvelous both in JS-od,so the system should not compare them when it shows you a value that should be a base for you


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 8/26/2010 9:34:14 AM

Joakimas Grumelaitis (13460072)
Center
Owner: Γουρουνια

Weekly salary: $ 8 698

DMI: 114100
Age: 19
Height: 6'10" / 208 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: proficient

Has prominent in the inside skills and average secondaries.
He sold for $ 919 300.

My player had strong/proficient inside skills and higher secondaries and sold for almost double.

Secondaries are more expensive on young players because they are harder to train up!

Thats right. What you are impliying has no meaning to the situation this thread is about. Im tired of trying to explain that to you. Someone asked for some simple advice and you and naker have turned it into an attack on the TPE and diluted the advice the player was given. I am not comparing a player with 1 high skill to a well rounded player, but a player with more time spent on primaries than secondaries.

Now stop wasting both our time. Good day to you...

You can pretty much insert the same reply I just gave with the following exceptions...

Has prominent in the inside skills and average secondaries.
He sold for $ 919 300.

That is nowhere near enough infomation to prove your point. Even though the point you are trying to prove has nothing to do with what I said..

My player had strong/proficient inside skills and higher secondaries and sold for almost double.

I am not comparing a player with the same primaries. I am comparing a player with higher primaries! You trained over half a season of guard skills which means trained the way I said, there would be at least 2-3 pops in each of his primary skills. I had a quick look and I will show you an example of untouched secondaries and high primaries...

Níels Guðjónsson (12279712) Center
Owner: J_Celtics

Weekly salary: $ 45 977

DMI: 261900
Age: 20
Height: 7'0" / 213 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: strong
Jump Shot: awful Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: average
Driving: atrocious Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: tremendous Inside Def.: tremendous
Rebounding: tremendous Shot Blocking: strong
Stamina: atrocious Free Throw: strong

Experience: pitiful

Place a bid on this player
Current Bid: $ 1 850 000 by Dream Team N.B.A
Auction Ends: 8/28/2010 6:14:05 PM

Now this player is even a year older and going for more than your guy. Even though you could add another season to your player who sold for less and would have higher primaries, the players on the market see high primaries and spend up accordingly. The player the discussion is about (if you remember there was one!) could be as good (probably even better) in 1 season as a 19 year old, so you can almost double the price that this player is selling for. And there is still nearly 2 hours of bidding to go...

Secondaries are more expensive on young players because they are harder to train up!

Secondaries are almost (I said almost) irrelivant to the sale price of a young tall because they are harder to train. The time spent training secondaries reduces the level of primaries, which just like potential, induces people to overpay for allround lesser players. This is especially relivant to a player in topic as he doesnt have the best level to start with.

Good day to you also!

Last edited by Pablo Ignatio Montoya at 8/27/2010 2:34:00 AM

Triple tremendous is excellent skills though which is why he is selling for so high.
And he has an extra season of training compared to my 19 year old.
If I had continued training the 19 year old he would have had triple sensational in the inside skills.
And a triple sensational with higher secondaries would have sold for more than a triple tremendous with no secondaries.

That is an example of player that has high primaries and terrible secondaries. The fact his age is 20 and a season more training makes him less valuable then your player, considering your player would have more inside skills, but still sold for more.

It isn't about whether or not he would sell for more if he had higher secondaries than someone with the same primaries. Of course he would! It is about a 19 year old with good secondaries selling for less than a player with more primaries and less secondaries! How many times do I have to repeat that?!

Okay so show me a 19 year old with higher primaries and no secondaries that sells for over 2 million.
You showed a 20 year old with far higher primaries. And he only sold for a little bit more than my player even though the had 5 pops extra on all primaries.

There are so many people that train Big men and just do IS/ID/Rebounding and then repeat. Consequently there are hundreds of Big men on the market at all times that have high salary, and that all look the same.
However, when a manager, such as myself, decides to train secondary skills on a big man, the player sticks out on the market, and is unique and has lower salary and more skills, and consequently sells for more.

A 50k center with good secondary skills is going to sell for a lot more than a 75k center with bad secondary skills.
Hence, secondary skills will sell for more, even if it means less primary skills.

You are repeating yourself again (and now adding the opinions of direwolf, which is true, however in the context of this dicussion is completely irrelivant to the subject once again) and I have had enough of repeating myself trying to explain. You don't even know what you are trying to prove to me anymore, even though I have reminded you over and over...