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From: Axis123

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Date: 1/19/2011 11:03:43 PM
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In all my time of watching NBA, NBL etc, I've never seen it. I've even only seen few amateur teams play it on very few occasions. A "box" zone defence is a strategic nightmare. Offensively it's just too easy to break down.

It may be a good idea for this game, though, considering some managers like to buy a behemoth to base their team around.

I'd like to see different full court presses, or have just the guards pressuring the ball from full or 3/4 court (which is very common in pro leagues). Even combinations of full court and dropping back to m2m or 3-2 zone would be good.

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Date: 1/20/2011 3:38:51 AM
Nitra Corgons
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well there is one different factor: if the inside isolation ends up with best option playin guards at inside with rebounds pulled high there will be no more players higher than 196cm at all.. no inside players in game.. kinda weird isnt it?


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Date: 1/20/2011 6:06:49 AM
Nitra Corgons
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i dont see a point to create anything against M2M defense while it is very vulnerable for 90% of teams in BB.. but that is whole different story..
i will analyse this one game and next games and tell you the result than. what is crazy is that this tactic never showed up to be tested. i think things should be tested first before they influence whole game in important games. becose if you try to compete with the best here it takes few seasons to build up strategy and buy or train players sutiable for that and after 2-3-4 seasons what is half a year of focusing to one competition maybe than someone just releases nonsens without reasonable testing that my friend would piss you out and you lose your faith (if you had) to the game.. this was all hypotetical yet but the fact is this game doesnt work properly especialy for those who play it for a longer period of time and trust me there are some dolars in their supporters..

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From: rwystyrk

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169813.59 in reply to 169813.58
Date: 1/20/2011 8:04:12 AM
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There is no reason to defend BB's like you do in this thread. I really don't understand why Outside version of new tactics was for whole season in SC and inside wasn't. And even if they tested in their computers there is no knowledge among wide community and that's was zajino wrote. Now it can be lottery until we learn this tactics and long term strategies can failed against risk with unknown tactics. And also as soon as we have knowledge of new tactics some long-term strategies can be devalueted and the others capitalized ...
And about supporter and non-supporters and testing in PL matches. Non-supporters can find as many PL games as they want and they can study them even if they can't set the lineups.

From: rwystyrk

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Date: 1/20/2011 8:40:08 AM
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As I said, friendly tests are not meaningful for most people.

Inside Isolation and Inside Box and One wasn't introduced in friendlies no matter if we call them meaningfull or usefull or something else. That's the biggest problem. At least these 2 tactics couldn't be able to use in competitive matches this season.

If there is no significant complaints against Outside Isolation and Outside Box and One, I have nothing against them, they can remain in choice for competitive matches.

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Date: 1/20/2011 9:30:29 AM
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If Emilios theory about playing inside players in isolation like whatever they are able to play is true, is possible that this "one" in defence against him has to change everytime opponents coach change his mind, otherwise it probably not would be an effective defensive tactic. While is possible that you have to have this defender "inside".

Last edited by aigidios at 1/20/2011 9:31:25 AM

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Date: 1/20/2011 9:37:23 AM
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As I said, friendly tests are not meaningful for most people.

Inside Isolation and Inside Box and One wasn't introduced in friendlies no matter if we call them meaningfull or usefull or something else. That's the biggest problem. At least these 2 tactics couldn't be able to use in competitive matches this season.


Well, you can count how many matches you will lose by isolation putted against you. While there are not many managers which are using current tactics effectively, I dont see a point in introducing them later if developers are sure about them. If this would make a difference in B3 or a first league, perhaps these teams are supposed to wait for a new tactics little longer, because in high league it can make a difference.

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