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I would like to react to several your posts.

I like ent too, and would like to see it stay but forbid TIE-deals. And trust the coaches that they try to play fair.

Unless there is any rule which forbids it you can't expect no one will play on deals (deals are not just TIE-deals).

If you promise person A to hit person B... yea i think it can be ok to not go through with your promise. As i said, a deal between 2 teams will hurt the 3rd team in the group.

Unless you use the deals, you are always the 3rd team

Why dont you think people would play by the rules? Do you think people try to hack other NT-coaches accounts just to win a game?

Because it's world-wide game and as someone mentioned here moral is an opinion and not all users on BB are scandinavians and have different feeling of moral than you. We leave in country with quite low level of moral and there are even much more worse countries in the world.

If we should adapt your philosophy, always accept and play TIE-deals, then we could just remove the whole ent-thing and play normal games.

It's not true at all. Deals are not just about TIE-TIE and not every time is usefull for you offer an agreement and not every time is usefull to accept an agreement.

I guess you do realize that without deals the game would be more fair, since then all would compete at the same terms and now its pretty unfair.

Now it's pretty fair. Everybody know about the possibility of deals, just some users decided not to use them and threw themselves to disadvantage.

It's impressive how you completely refuse to agree to disagree. Our users have another view of TIE deals. You are entitled to yours but to insist that our opinion is non-valid is a strange behaviour.

I can't remember anyone in our community favoring TIE deals. My personal opinion is that they are awful. The deals then and not the persons using them. If I have an offer I think that the offer is disgraceful. I still have to respect that others have another opinion about them as they are allowed. I don't want them to be allowed and I am entitled to such opinion. You can't even admit that it is a valid opinion. That it is in your opinion a poor opinion is something completely different. You are entitled to think so but at least you can admit that it is a valid alternative. No matter if you think that it is a worse opinion or not.

I suggest that both you and rwystark reads that and tell me what in the response that is insultive towards your U21 coach or that motivates as heavy reaction as you both have had.

My nickname is actually rwystyrk, I don't know if you write it in wrong way again and again deliberately or you just can't copy my name right. Unless you are able to write my nickname right (not once but many times without mistake), I will call you joke him instead of Jokehim.

Unless rwstark is a very insultative word in Czech or any other language I can't understand your critics. If you had a nick like fluck and I instead wrote fuck I really could understand your concerns because then it would be pretty obvious I am writing it to insult you. I did not write rwstark in anyway to insult you and you of course know that. If you don't agree with that then it is actually your problem. Reacting over misspellings are very low level.

About my nick:
Julian Joachim used to play for my favorite team in England (Coventry). The fans were not very happy with him and someone called him Jokehim instead to just show their anger about his low capacity. Yes Joke Him. The word Joke is there for a reason. Maybe a bit insultive to have such opinion about a player. Had I thought that Julian Joachim would be insulted by my nick I would not use it. Just thought that it was a cool nick. I have had many BB-mail and similar where I have been called Jocke (nickname for Joakim which is a bit common in Sweden) and never have I been the least insulted about that. My real name is nowhere near Joakim but I still don't mind.

If you want to call me Joke Him you are free to do so. Even if you already pointed out that you would do so to insult me. I don't see it as an insultive name to be called. It is much less insultive than your first posting in this forum where you ranted about how poor manager I am. Still you have not commented on my merit list though but just looked at most recent history and then mainly our rating I guess.

Now the big question is: Are you satisfied with my response to your message?

One if the reason for our poor rating is that we have lost too many friendlies. I have usually used our underaged in those matches to prepare owners of them that they will have a U21 player coming season to simply motivate them to keep training. Rating is hugely misleading in BB. Our rating was much better some seasons ago when we did not have a very tough draw in consolidation tourney.

Actually in last 2 seasons, which affects your current rank you played 11 friendlies - 5 wins, 6 losts, if we expect e.g. 3 or 4 more wins it would bring you max. 15 more points and you would be ranked 66th intead of 74th. I can't see big difference.
If we look at European Championship season 16 (in brackets actual numbers of users in country, Sweden has 251)
win - Scotland (35)
lost - Spain (4439), Greece (1957), Hungary (1138), Belarus (113), Norway (101), Azərbaycan (44)
So actually 3 smaller countries beat you (with userbase under half of yours), I don't expect there were big changes in userbase of these countries since season 12 (as in season 16 played players from draft after the season 12). So I see season 16 as very unsuccessfull for you.
If we look at Consolation Tournament season 17
win - Bulgaria home (338), Malaysia home (88), South Africa home (12), Ecuador away (11)
lost - Turkey away (2958) , Hungary away (1138), Argentina home (1084), Holland away (300)
so this season was probably ok, no one can expect much better record.

But surely season 16 is reason of your current ranking, 3 more wins in European Championship could bring you up to 60 more points which would mean rank somewhere between 46th and 50th without need to win additional friendly game.

Similar way we could analyse older results.

Your popularity is 72% of 78 total votes which is quite good and show community supports you. But still there is 22 managers that don't approve you as U21 manager. Question is why no one of them come with alternative way for U21 election.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 11/16/2011 6:07:43 AM

Reacting over misspellings are very low level.

I have already asked you in czech forum to spell it in right way. So if you do it again and again after that I can't understand it as an misspelling.
If I have some problem with spelling some nick I simply use copy and paste. I consider multiple misspellings as very low level.

It's nice with some activity on the forum but it's really turning into a rant now. Lock the thread and throw away the key!

It's not about agree or disagree. I understand your view of TIE deals, I just described consequences of that view in time when deals are not illegal. And I try to explain things that are not cought in right context as there was a lot of inncuracies in assumptions in sku88an posts.
There are difference between:
1) We want to play our matches without any agreements
2) We want every matches to be played withou agreements
You can do yourselves 1), but if you really want 2) you have to go to suggestion forum brings some ideas and lobby for them. Even NT coaches forum is not the right place for lobby as BB-staff don't read this forum so often and suggestions belong to suggestion forum and not to that one.

You think there would be a big short-term difference if rwystyrk was running our U-21 team? We know he´s great, especially in getting paid on the transfer ;) But I don´t think he´s a supercoach that would do miracles with our U-21.

Would love for him to take over our NT next season though. Build som bridges between the Swedish and Czech community...

U21 is about mid-term planning and NT is about long term planning.

I don't know nothing about how scouting is working now in Sweden. If I expect it's not working according to my strategy, it would take 3 seasons to train 18 years old draftee just according to my ideas.
But nobody can do miracles, it's very unlikely to make real success (medal at EC or at least qualify for WC) with country of size as Sweden (251) or Czech republic (539) in Europe. But there has been already some exceptions, but you need a bit portion of luck as well to do so as strong year, cooperative owner of best draftees etc. But larger countries have a big advantage from the start as in average e.g. Turkey (2958) should have 60 players like 5 best in a draft in Sweden. But surely U21 in country like Sweden shouldn't lose very often against countries with less than 100 users and should try to beat little bit bigger countries.
Long time ago I had been Czech U21 manager for 4 seasons (nobody has tied my best result so far) and I'm not interested to manage any U21 anymore. But I reckon the effort of these managers that are able to manage U21 or work as U21 scout. If you are interested I can describe why I'm not interested in it anymore.

If you mean not just U21 but NT as well. There is different situation and advantage of bigger counties is out. Because NT is about 10 to 15 best players no matter how old are they. So there is much bigger chance for smaller countries to beat bigger one. But it takes time. I started as NT manager in season 11 after the coach that had no longer plan and concept for out NT. In speech I warn community that I didn't expect any success for at least 4 season. Finally it came in 6th and 7th season when few members of community started to be little bit inpatient. But still our NT is not at the top of our limits, we can still improve our performance and become even stronger.
If I take control of Sweden NT it would mean even longer way before making success as you are even smaller country. If I started at season 19, I would expect strong performance in European championship season 27 or 29, not earlier unless you have already have some players for my game philosophy. But at the moment I don't expect me to take control of any other NT as soon as I end as Czech NT Manager.

We have a nice competitive national league. Not a team who wins every year and a team which everybody looks up to and are happy to help out when it comes to BBB.

I don't need any help of my leaguemates due to BBB. I play domestic games TIE without an agreement unless it's offered by my opponent. But opponents very often save players for matches with higher probabillity of win, because a tax for chance to beat me is usually too high and it returns in lost in games that could win. And I won league only 9 times in last 13 seasons, 4 times there was different winner. But biggest rival has been in trouble since last season.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 11/16/2011 7:01:28 AM

It's nice with some activity on the forum but it's really turning into a rant now. Lock the thread and throw away the key!

Yep. Fast tråden heter ju säsong 18 och den är väl inte riktigt klar än.

Unless there is any rule which forbids it you can't expect no one will play on deals (deals are not just TIE-deals).

Sry i count deals and TIE-deals as one. But if i reformulate... i would hope that people do not cheat. I would like deals to be forbidden. And if people are so desperate for a win in an internet game, they even go out of their way to cheat, i feel sorry for them and also hope they will be banned if it is discovered.
However, i said in my post several times that if you ignore the problem with finding cheaters, it would be a better game if we had no deals. Just look at how Hattrick was before the deals came in their NTs.

Unless you use the deals, you are always the 3rd team

Your kinda missing the point here, every deal has a looser. And if its not a broken deal, then its an innocent team. But maby you are right, its perhaps my damn morale and willing to play fair who makes me stubborn in this. I would still like a fair game tho, even if many dont want it. (I get the feeling you wouldnt want a rule against deals even if we can find a way to make sure noone uses it.)

This should cover your 2 next quotes also, i can add: No all deals are perhaps not positive... but almost always it will be a positive thing to agree to a deal, which makes dealhunting a far too important task for a NT-manager, instead of concentrating in being an actual coach.

Now it's pretty fair. Everybody know about the possibility of deals, just some users decided not to use them and threw themselves to disadvantage.

But it would be more fair, right? :)

Does he not prefer to be called "rwystyrk (European Champion)".

regards,
evilgook (master of the universe)