BuzzerBeater Forums

Three weeks ago a 19 year old superstar potential SG with respectable skills was selling for $400,000 - $850,000. This week you can pick one up for $60,00 - $190,000. I believe that the bubble has burst.

Good work!! Any news on the new staff?

Finally, since I have access to global numbers, I have compared the average attendance for regular-season games played in the last 30 days (end of season 5 vs. first two games of season 6). I used the end of season 5 because arena expansion is a strong effect.

In division I, the average attendance is 7% higher so far in season 6 for human home teams. This is over a different set of arenas, but arenas have gone from 82.1% of capacity to 89.2% of capacity globally.

In division II, the average attendance is up 6%, going from 84.7% of capacity to 89.2% of capacity.

In division III, the average attendance is up 0.6%, from 82.3% of capacity to 82.8%.

In lower divisions, the average attendance is down 1.5%, with the typical team under their initial capacity of 5000 seats.

Surely if most people STH increased by an average 6-7% these numbers would be expected and therefore you could argue that the attendence formula hasnt increased overall attendences....

Can you let us know on average what % increase teams had to their STH?

You mentioned once that attendance should increase to the point that a div I player would lose only about 25% of his total income rather that the 40% listed, however with the collapse of TV revenue and an average attendance increase of only 7% we are losing more like 50-60% of our income.

I'm just wondering when we get to those 25% income losses you mentioned.

My team was the runner-up in Division 1 of a small country. We experienced a 7% increase in season ticket holders. Bastages then gave us a half a ball when we won by 47 in our first cup game. Overall attendance began at 14000+, 4000 less than the last game of the finals last season. That game was a loss. Our next game saw an additional 4000 seats empty. That's 8000 fewer ticket buyers than last season, after two games.

hahaha

that was what i was pointing out, even with the attendance formula its still about winning

as the saying goes , . . . . this world has only room for winners :D

Everyone seems to be an expert on the finances of teams they don't know anything about.

Bank roll? The reason the market get inflated is cause we were all spending the excess profits on players. Now, those investments we made in the last season have devalued greatly overnight. Everyone I know was spending everything they could for the playoffs last season.

This sounds a little too much like Patrick Ewing's famous statement made during the 1998 strike that Jim Rome likes to reset a lot (paraphrasing here) "We make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money, too." This was his justification for people with access to lots of resources whining that it wasn't enough in case you missed it.

And thank you for backing up my statement for me, it's much appreciated.

Yeah, cut out the only bonus the top divisions have for winning their leagues, that'd be great. I could just quit the B3 now and not worry about overplaying players, buying 3 extra depth players, spending extra time planning. Make it a glorified PL.

Ok, this one I chalk up to ignorance on my part ... here I thought you already got increased TV revenue and attendance for being in D.I. I mean I knew the percentage you lost from your matches for being in D.i was higher, but my deepest apologies, I didn't realize once you promoted from D.II, you advanced to the "Dustbowl" division, in which you played for as long as you could before your complete lack of income choked the life from your team, sending you hurtling all the way back to D.III. You have my deepest sympathy. Expect a lovely horseshoe-shaped funeral arrangement to arrive at your decaying arena soon.

Oh and another thought ... approximately how many supporters do you have currently, and how much merchandise revenue are you pulling in weekly? Just mild curiosity on my part ... no biggie. I know of D.II teams that are barely staying in D.II pulling in much higher fan support increases than consistently successful D.III teams are, so I can only imagine what bottom of the barrel D.I teams are raking in, much less the successful ones.


Not every post you read that seems like it might be remotely directed toward you is. And sometimes guilt results in our speaking out in defense of ourselves when it isn't necessary or even warranted. I can see how my original post was a tad inflammatory, but I assure you it was in no way meant to be an attack upon anything but the recent changes. The whole excess cash thing was directed more toward day traders than anyone else, and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough on that. But hey, what do you care about some D.III scrub like me? Especially when my team's accountant is already making arrangements to move his family to Catalina before my players and fans get a hold of him in the wake of the impending failure of my team.

Three paragraphs that didn't address BJ's point about:

Yeah, cut out the only bonus the top divisions have for winning their leagues

Instead of underlining the whole statement ... try just underlining the "only bonus for winning" part.