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looks like we are talking here about HUGE random, or about bug. because if you lose game where you think "should I play take it easy or not" it is a problem,
and if games like this happened in play off or in world championship it will be a much bigger problem.

it is OK to have random here, so weaker teams can beat stronger, but not with ratings like this.

there is also a players value questions

how can team with only 1 player with salary over 8000, and 2 with over 6000 beat teams with 10 players with salaries over 6000, and 4 of them with salaries over 8000?

Why to train players than? why should I buy players with bigger salary?

in salary calculation seems to be a random factor.

for example: this year two of my rookies look like twins if u look at their skills. one of them is slightly better but he earns only 3.3k and his brother being a bit worse earns 4.1k.

I have seen many more examples like that. my best shooting guard earns less than 1000 to a much worse SG

salary is just an incdication nothing more...

salary is just an incdication nothing more...

yes, but a good indication. I think that player with 8000 salary is better than one with 5000. of course we are talking now, at the start of the season. later will be a diferent story, because you don't know if the players are trained or not

1. I know that no player shoots 100 times per game... but that is not the point...

2. I know... but this is just an estimate... I dont have time to find out 100% accurate formula... but it shows roughly that Position Points per 100 Shots (at least as I am concerned) in this game is not logical... I was wondering if the datas were showing wrong team in match report...

I am not sure either, and maybe you can tell me why is there so big dissproportion in FG% and Position Points per 100 Shots (at least concerning NZ team, since their numbers are more obvious)... here it is...
Position Points per 100 Shots
as PG 74.3
as SG 59.0
as SF 93.1
as PF 107.8
as C 63.7
TOTAL 397,9........... 397,9/5 = 79,6 as team average (Position Points per 100 Shots)


lets say that in 89 FG attempts/91points made (91 is after excluded FT-s = 115-24)
so average for the team in Position Points per 100 Shots would be a bit more than 100... to be exact 100attempts/102,24 points made!!!

the second option... lets include FT-s
89 FG + 46 FT attempts/115 points = 135 attempts/115 points
and that is .............. 100 attempts/85,18 points (again that number as their team average is higher than shown in "Position Points per 100 Shots" column... which is 79,6!!!)

Why does it seem that every time you lose you blame the game engine, and say it has problems?.

ever heard a fisherman tell you he didn't catch much and it's probably his own mistake?

Guess not, it's always net-fishers, or others who take all the fish and never release anything so the water is almost empty, or the fish would not strike at all...
Never will they even consider they did something wrong, used the wrong color(s), wrong spot or time, wrong techniques, no, they never doubt about their own expertise...

Sounds familiar, no?

regards from the single-fisher-in-the-world who openly says that if he didn't catch any, he did something wrong, not other, not the fish, but himself, because there is always a way to get them to strike, one simply needs to find that way.

nice speech LA-Lord of Doom...

I like fishing so I undertand what you wanna say...

Ok... Just to say that I am not blaming the game engine... and I am not whinning on the score of the game (it is not my country NT)... but I dont understand those numbers... as I tried to point out in my previous posts, there are some things that are not logicat to me...

Here... to make is as simple as can be pointed...
In that particular game the box score shows that NZ had 43/89 FG, and folowing Matchup Ratings:
Position Points per 100 Shots
as PG 74.3
as SG 59.0
as SF 93.1
as PF 107.8
as C 63.7

The box score shows that CROATIA had 39/104 FG, and folowing Matchup Ratings:
Position Points per 100 Shots
as PG 87.2
as SG 96.7
as SF 98.7
as PF 114.9
as C 127.8

How come a team that had weaker marks for ALL "Position Points per 100 Shots" and 15 attempts LESS then other team made more points???

Or to rephrase: How come a team had better marks for ALL "Position Points per 100 Shots" and 15 attempts MORE then other team made less points???

Again, I am only trying to establish connection between those numbers and real score of the game... since I dont see it in this particular game...

my first PO finals game last season I had the same thing, I dominated in ratings, and had more points per 100 shots for all positions.
his inside D was prety high, so I played motion, his outside D was (much) weaker than my outside offense.
I also defended inside, my inside defense was (much) higher than his inside offense, and he played look inside.

So tactically I made the good choice, my ratings where higher, and I should have scored more points per 100 shots from wherever I shot.

Yet I lost. Only 1 reason: free trows. While he made about 5 fouls in the entire game, I had about 45. He made about 30 points from free trows, and I lost the game by 10 points. I think it is clear what the reason of the loss was.

I'm not saying this is the case for the game you take as example, but it might very well be.

Is this fair? no, is this normal, dunno, but I'd guess yes. I still don't realy know why it happened, but I beeter try to find out, since I don(t think it is a bad in the game-engine, it is possibly a mistake I am making...

I can feel the pain of losing. Last season i just won the first cup games for our country and i was right on track for the Div I.1crown. I lost the finals and with the new season my losing streak continues.My team is second from the last when it was the other way around last season. I just try to look at every game and see why i lost. And that is what makes this game addicting. When you thought you had figured out everything...boom.....you start to lose and wander what happened.

Im still having a bad start for this season. I just look forward to the next game that i would be able to turn this team into a winning team once again. I may entertain getting players from other countries. I have resisted to get players from other countries because i wanted to win using local players. Oh well. as they say the ball is round.

I can feel the pain of losing. Last season i just won the first cup games for our country and i was right on track for the Div I.1crown. I lost the finals and with the new season my losing streak continues.My team is second from the last when it was the other way around last season. I just try to look at every game and see why i lost. And that is what makes this game addicting. When you thought you had figured out everything...boom.....you start to lose and wander what happened.

Im still having a bad start for this season. I just look forward to the next game that i would be able to turn this team into a winning team once again. I may entertain getting players from other countries. I have resisted to get players from other countries because i wanted to win using local players. Oh well. as they say the ball is round.

Great attitude! Instead of moaning and complaining about this and that you are hard working on improving things. Example to follow!

Last edited by Laimbeer40 at 2/13/2008 1:33:27 PM