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How is Team A probably stronger since Team A has lost to worst teams that Team B ? Isn't it an indication it is probably weaker ? :D

You are trying hard here, hats off to you !
There is no point in trying to find who is the better team from two who are tied in wins and point differential over 22 games ! Points scored is simple and effective. It doesn't mean that the team who scored more points is better, both teams are of equal force to the point they are causing an upset in the forum and should both be demoted to set an example.

Really? Name one reason how a team that scores more points per game is better than a team that scores less points per game.

Most sporting competition favors the more offensive team. Everything else being equal, a team that is able to score more is ranked higher than the one that scores less because to win, you have to be able to score.

Your logic for H2H does not work here and is even more unfair. It works in the NBA because all teams play their best lineup all games. In BB, there are some teams you only play once and it is luck of the draw whether this game will be at home or away. At other times, you are deliberately resting starters for game shape reasons so at all times your best players might not even be in the game. E.g if you are going on a cup run, some teams will tank a league game in order to be able to field a full strength lineup for the cup. Does this mean their team is weak? not necessarily. It just means they didn't field their strongest lineup in a league game.

Again, you may not agree with this argument, but you cannot deny that there is some logic in it, and that it should theoretically work for over 50% of the time.

I never denied your argument and I never claimed it was illogical. Like I said, H2H has its place but in an environment like BB, it is not the best or most logical approach.

How is Team A probably stronger since Team A has lost to worst teams that Team B ? Isn't it an indication it is probably weaker ? :D

I never said Team A lost to worst teams than Team B. I said Team A beat better teams than Team B. Team A and Team B are from different conferences. They play each team in their conference twice, and each team in the opposite conference once, so their schedules are not identical, and the number of games against tough teams are not identical.
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Points scored is simple and effective. It doesn't mean that the team who scored more points is better

That's exactly what I have been saying. Thank you.

Last edited by j9s3 at 12/21/2010 8:09:29 PM

Alright, we're getting closer...

Most sporting competition favors the more offensive team. Everything else being equal, a team that is able to score more is ranked higher than the one that scores less because to win, you have to be able to score.

Since both teams are tied in records and points differential, they obviously have been able to score... To be able to win, you also have to be able to play defense. If you have no guys playing defense, the other team scores every time. To be able to win, you also have to be able to rebound. Otherwise, the other team just keeps shooting and getting offensive rebounds until they score.
Again, basketball is not a shooting competition. No scoring = automatic loss. No defense = automatic loss. No rebounding = automatic loss, etc.
Total points is just a boxscore stat like total rebounds. It doesn't mean anything other than the fact that one team is more offensively focused, and the other is more defensively focused. Or, one team plays at a faster pace, and the other plays at a slower pace. Or, one team has played more OT games than another team.

And I did not say H2H was perfect. I also suggested a couple other options which are reasonable. H2H is just an example of a "more-reasonable" option than total points.

You never said it. Who said you said it ? I used a postulate like you do. You pick the more favorable situations that suits your point ignoring all others and the how and why two unequal teams would be tied, teams improve or weaken relatively over the course of a season, schedule randomness, injuries, opponent's effort...

Strenght of victory would be far better that H2H even though it's not perfect. You keep asking why points scored shows the better team when people are saying that points scored is a simple tie-breaker, you are still looking for the better team when they have managed to tie beyond likeliness, others are looking for a simple solution to untie irritating teams. It's a different approach of the problem, will you recognize that ? It's already the fourth tie-breaker after wins, walkovers and PD. Points scored is a simple concept, it shows on the league standings, it's practical.

You keep asking why points scored shows the better team when people are saying that points scored is a simple tie-breaker, you are still looking for the better team when they have managed to tie beyond likeliness, others are looking for a simple solution to untie irritating teams. It's a different approach of the problem, will you recognize that ? It's already the fourth tie-breaker after wins, walkovers and PD. Points scored is a simple concept, it shows on the league standings, it's practical.

So we agree the only reason points scored is used is because it is easy and practical. Ok...
How much harder and unpractical can the other approaches (the ones that make sense) be? It's not like the users even do anything to calculate. The programs calculate everything... All you have to be able to do is read, just like it is with points scored.
And don't tell me the other approaches are complicated.