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From: malice
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206866.55 in reply to 206866.54
Date: 1/22/2012 10:14:42 PM
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Well... besides the fact that the system of promotion seems to be somewhat broken (it appears as if this is even the case with larger nations) and really is in need of a fix, the reality as it is with the case of Japan is that the system of having the lower numbered leagues within division II fill first is pretty much ensuring that new guys are less likely to stay. And I think that all agree that Japan as a nation should be much, much bigger than 20-30 users.

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Date: 1/24/2012 8:36:09 AM
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I think big growth for Japan would be no problem if there was advertising, but the question is if the new users would stay.

We had a pretty quick jump from around 90 to more than 110 in Austria, and now we are back to even lower numbers. Most new members quit pretty soon if they realize they get slaughtered in every game. Same would apply for Japan...

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Date: 1/24/2012 4:33:09 PM
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I think big growth for Japan would be no problem if there was advertising, but the question is if the new users would stay.

We had a pretty quick jump from around 90 to more than 110 in Austria, and now we are back to even lower numbers. Most new members quit pretty soon if they realize they get slaughtered in every game. Same would apply for Japan...
I think that kind of summarize it all.

I will have a "wild" guess and say that the size of each BB-nation did not change to much.

Why? Because the uncomptitivness advnatage that the old users has over the new ones.
An advantage that is due to multiple seasons they got "bigger", and is not controled my means of salary cap and luxury cap (for example), which will make the game more competitive.

I'll write again a fact that I've found - three of the largest BB-nations (France, German and Italy) did not had a single team that joined prior of season 4 at last season (which was 17!!!).
And then people are supprised, why this community does not grow...

This game has a lot of possitive things that makes it a good one, but there is no reason to ignore the bugs and bad things this game has which just stand it its way.

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206866.61 in reply to 206866.60
Date: 1/24/2012 7:04:58 PM
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THe adding teams logic is just dumb. IT adds to .I till its full, starting with teh top division. This is wrong.

IT should start them DIII. Let them play other new teams and bots their first few weeks before feeding them to the wolves.


I feel you - no homo.

I suggested to put new teams into the lowest Division to get an easy start, that was like two years ago...

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Date: 1/24/2012 11:50:33 PM
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When was it that Hong Kong got a massive influx of users?

I know their existing users were given deserved credit for the work they put in to achieve the results.

Anyone from Hong Kong reading this that can maybe let us know what you did?

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206866.64 in reply to 206866.61
Date: 1/25/2012 12:35:44 AM
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That is an excellent idea. Japan has a division III so all new users should start there. It wouldn't matter if they were all packed into III.1 at the end of the season they would all get a bot promotion and be randomly distributed across the division IIs. It would means they wouldn't get hammered so badly in their first season as well which would encourage them to stick around. Winning feels a lot better than being smashed by 100 because you were started in division I. It would also mean that teams that went into II.1 that couldn't cope in the short term would be relegated and then only have a 1/4 chance of going back there when they came back up. Within a few seasons it shouldn't matter as II.1 would be no stronger than any other division II.

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206866.65 in reply to 206866.60
Date: 1/25/2012 1:24:09 AM
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At around 34 users its perfect so that a massive flux of use users would spread across all new user/bot leagues I.ii~IV and then III.

Well, we don't have 34 users. If you take away doubled/farmer/feeder/teams-made-then-ignored teams, then it's really probably only around 20 max.


IT should start them DIII. Let them play other new teams and bots their first few weeks before feeding them to the wolves.

This is an excellent suggestion. Regardless of where there is room, teams should start in the easiest possible division of a nation. Additionally, where they promote should go in order, not fill up one league then move onto the next. It's that kind of one dimensional thinking that creates messes such as the one we see in II.1 Nippon now (definitely: that mess exists in loads of other nations).

http://with-malice.com/ - The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic in Japan
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