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if you have to suggest someone who just started and can only do one or the other will you suggest to build some more seats or live with less income while he trains?

I already explained that I personally invested in trainees and a trainer while spending lightly on arena, then prioritized arena above everything after that. That is why I am telling you the argument has never been "spend 100% of your income on arena".

I didn't choose the number randomly. With a 7 million investment you can build a better 20k arena than most 20k arenas...so if your trainees and players are worth 8 millions on the market you can turn them into a 1 million roster and 15k seats.

If the new player in question can guarantee they can make 8 million off their trainees, that 'would' be an option. They don't hand out multimillion dollar trainees for free, and they are so valuable for a reason. You'll never replace the trainees you sold off so you're essentually starting from the bottom again. You replace trainees with 32 year old plus players because you only have 1 million of the 8 million left, meaning your roster will significantly decease in value over the course of a season.

Assuming you spent 4 seasons to get your trainees to that level, I'll have the 15000 seats by then doing it my way, with keeping my trainees, with a winning record. I'll probably have the million in cash as well. If I sold my trainees next season (which I won't), I'll have the 7 million you would spend on catching up to my arena to spend on players.

I already explained that I personally invested in trainees and a trainer while spending lightly on arena, then prioritized arena above everything after that. That is why I am telling you the argument has never been "spend 100% of your income on arena".

The argument is that there is NO REASON NOT to spend on the arena. As you and Iguanadon Joe have pointed out investing in trainees, cashing and reinvesting is probably a better option in the long term. And I will add that it is more profitable. The people who have 16k-17k arenas have spent millions on seats. Part of those millions might be better invested in training because it can definitely be more profitable. You can never have 100% return on investment from seats, while you can from training (even accounting for training costs and taxes) that is obvious.

You'll never replace the trainees you sold off so you're essentually starting from the bottom again.

Again the number wasn't random: I paid 1.2 million for my 3 guys a couple of seasons ago and they were all 19yo. The 22yo Superstar now has 72 outside TSP and 32 inside...while being 6'9'' tall. His highest skill is OD and he'll easily make into a 120 TSP SF. The other 2 guys are 21yo MVPs and are at 90 TSP each. None of them is below 6 stamina. Put a 600k-700k training cost over 3 seasons in there as well (my advanced trainer + fees).

1 million is (was?) enough to find 2 good trainees and slightly lesser one.

Assuming you spent 4 seasons to get your trainees to that level, I'll have the 15000 seats by then doing it my way, with keeping my trainees, with a winning record. I'll probably have the million in cash as well. If I sold my trainees next season (which I won't), I'll have the 7 million you would spend on catching up to my arena to spend on players.

Yeah because you think that people who invest in players invest 0 in the arena? You cannot count the money you make from the seats you already have as extra profits, you know...the guy who spends on trainees also goes on to build with the money the old seats give him. So you would not be comparing 15000 to 5000, but 15000 to 11000.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/12/2015 8:10:13 PM

You change your argument everytime someone proves their point. Have a good day. I'm going to join Phyr on this one.

I will say one last thing to everybody, including Trainerman who can reply when his ban ends.

Investing in players rather than seats is nothing new. 6 seasons ago my advice would have been absolutely and without doubt to use the money to invest in players. It was called daytrading and you could make several millions per season. That was BY FAR the most profitable investment you could do in this game.

It was so much more profitable that in my first Utopia league with mostly top class managers, including the winner of BBB (I Love Tehran), it was the Bulgarian (or Australian can't remember) D3 daytrader who got promoted. He made millions in a single season just on transactions. Some of the guys I beat in the first Utopia cup were also daytraders. I had to Crunch Time them to win because they could afford an absurdly higher payroll which had cost them a lot more than my own to even purchase.

I think one of the reasons they decided to stop daytrading was the incredible success it showcased in Utopia (pretty much every single daytrader promoted due to much better rosters and larger arenas).

So let's not kid ourselves, other forms of investment can be (and surely were) more profitable than investing in seats. Today training has become more profitable because changes were made to make it that way (it's been several seasons now, people should have seen it coming). It's worth investing in the right trainees as a priority over investing in the arena, both in terms of relatively short term profit and long term, as Iguanadon Joe has explained perfectly.

I don't understand why they have to be separated.

Because you can't spend the same dollar on an arena AND on a trainee. You spend the dollar once. You make a choice. As Lemonshine points out, going balls to the wall to build your arena to the exclusion of other interests is nonsense, total, utter sheer nonsense. Yet some people advocate that, (I think just to cause controversy, since it is such clear nonsense).

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That is why I am telling you the argument has never been "spend 100% of your income on arena".

P.Blue, maybe your argument has not been that, but that is exactly the silly argument some people are making. Silly, isn't it?

Last edited by Mike Franks at 9/13/2015 12:05:15 AM

What if I have $2 dollars, Mike?

The first one you cannot spend on both, you have to make a choice. Same for the second one.

Thank you for a silly question to lighten the tone.

Can we just go with the "find a way to improve your team and your arena" or do we really have to choose the "Spend every dollar on players" vs. "Spend every dollar on arena" debate which nobody seems to be advocating but mostly everyone seems to be arguing against?

Can we just go with the "find a way to improve your team and your arena" ...

Ding ding ding we have a winner!