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How you should improve is an interesting discussion but, the way I see it, its not related to what I´m taking about here. The small countries situation is the exception not yours. Like I´m saying we are going for the same thing, we just dont have enough money to create such rosters yet.

On a side note, you have a few teams in your first league that are in the same situation as me:
13. NAUJIEJI RUSAI (39738) 13 $ 434 617
14. veeseadmed (39650) 12 $ 427 622
15. Bokalas (94769) 14 $ 421 979
16. magnumopus (94916) 6 $ 59 157

Last edited by Mannen at 7/21/2010 9:00:30 AM

I understand you. :) In my opinion, biggest countries have more good managers, who want to win their leauges, than small countries, but their money income is same as little countries. And competition between teams is much bigger and stronger. It leads to: teams stopped their improving.
Also, I think we are coming to off-topic a bit.
In conclusion: money rules :)

Maybe you should change from this kind of players:

Salary ~ 150k

Jump Shot: atrocious Jump Range: atrocious
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: atrocious
Driving: atrocious Passing: atrocious
Inside Shot: marvelous Inside Def.: marvelous
Rebounding: marvelous Shot Blocking: prominent

To this ones:

Salary ~ 160k

Jump Shot: proficient Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: respectable
Driving: respectable Passing: strong
Inside Shot: marvelous Inside Def.: marvelous
Rebounding: marvelous Shot Blocking: prominent

I am sure you would be more competitive... or.. if you want to reduce the salaries..

Salary ~ 120k

Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: proficient
Driving: proficient Passing: proficient
Inside Shot: wondrous Inside Def.: wondrous
Rebounding: wondrous Shot Blocking: proficient

(such a nice guy hum?)


Last edited by Killer Penguin at 7/21/2010 9:13:02 AM

good work. Thanks. I would not have thought that, because of a few posts I remember reading about how Italian teams never move up or down. How many of those teams made it to the top leagues after season 7? I guess that was more my point- (and this is based on an unclear recollection of the aforementioned posts)- are teams still rising through the ranks or are there bottlenecks between the top two divisions and the bottom ones?
Anyway, that's great info from you!

1. If I take it easy it does not hurt any newcoming teams. It can hurt only my team. Same with training games.

It is the choice of the buyerwhether or not to bid for a player.

Newcomers can not evaluate the price, that what is being abused by daytraders. If a manager makes a bad purchase, hopefully he learns, sometimes they quit and sometimes they actually do not care. But there are people constantly trying to "teach" newcomers, gaining an unfair advantage compared to players who do not try to fool newcomers. It is by no means illeagal and like I said I have learned to live with it.
2.

I wouldn't accept your reason from my 4 year old daughter.

That is also an insult. Comparing me to a 4 year old. So how are you any better? So it's do as I say, not as I do. Nice preachings there:)

Last edited by Kukoc at 7/21/2010 9:24:52 AM

1. Okay, but I really don't believe that A) it is only new managers who buy players from daytraders or that it is only daytraders who place their players on auction for inflated prices.

2. If you find that insulting, I apologize. I didn't call you any name nor did I compare you to a four year old. I said that I would not accept an excuse along the lines of, "She started it" from my 4 year old daughter. Enough about that. I'm not your baby-sitter.

OK, I looked at it and it seems you have a point. In season 7, 2 today Serie A teams were in III league, 6 teams were in II league and 8 teams were in I league. But in Spain situation was somewhat different, 5 teams were in III league, 6 teams were in II league and 5 teams were in I league. If you want to look at it,look at team history at team page, if you didn't know it yet.

You are making +300k/week now,right?With this balance,in a season you will have 4,2 M of free cash to spend(and I have not included the cup incomes in these money,the sum could be higher)
With these money,you can improve your team buying strong players,and beyond this,I hope you are training well your young trainees.
So,in only a season,you can improve a lot your team with the training of your young players and the 4,2 M to spend in the market;a team in your economic situation has all the possibilities to became competitive in very few seasons,if the manager is able to train his young players and make right purchases
And your situation is common to the situation of the countries with less competitive leagues

Inject more money in the countries with less competitive leagues,doesn't change the possibilities of these teams to became soon competitive,since you yet has these possibilities;indeed,maybe you would be disadvantaged by a new phase of inflation made by all these teams with a great amount of money to spend


In a completely different situation,are the teams who has to be close to 0 in the balance to stay with a decent team(not to fight for the promotion)in a mediumdivision of the competitive countries(II-III-some IV).They can improve only with the training,having low incomes for their expenses,thay are forced to sell periodically at good price their best players to buy new young trainees to try to improve their weak points,but became less competitive while the new trainees reach the level of the old players,losing competitivity,games and consequentely money in this period

While you can stay with your best players,and improve continuously your team till reach the top

So,what you are talking about?

Exactly that! We are all going for the situation you are talking about, its just that it will take a few seasons for teams like mine. More money into this kind of leagues will speed up the process. More and more leagues over the globe will reach the 0 in balance and have less money for transfers. Giving mature teams this kind of money will not change that since they will quite fast add it to their salary. I will not be able to eat my salary even with the 4,2 mill and maybe 100k increased salary from training, but I will get there in a few seasons.

NO!Because if you want really to improve,you have to learn how to train players,and how to manage your team trying to make the right decision between the training and the competitivity in the short period
Giving more money to the users who yet have it because their teams yet aren't able to reach a competitive level,would not help them to improve their skills...this kind of strategy would help them on the transfer list,but would not stimulate to improve thier abilities in training their players,and if you train well your players,you can grow up faster than any move of market you can be able to do,because you can improve with every training every week.Buying a strong player,will help you right away,but your team will not improve quickly if you fail in training your young players

In some countries,the users who take the advantage at the start of their game,have continued to enlarge their advantage over the seasons,becaue their adaversaries do not cover their disadvantage,and when these teams started to meet other experienced managers on the international fields(Federations,BBB and private leagues),the leader teams learned new skills and continue to improve

Many users in the less competitive countries still doesn't understand that they have all the economical and technical possibilities to grow,but they have to do it with their legs,without waiting to have enough money to buy another player and doesn't try to improve their teams every week

NO!Because if you want really to improve,you have to learn how to train players,and how to manage your team trying to make the right decision between the training and the competitivity in the short period
Giving more money to the users who yet have it because their teams yet aren't able to reach a competitive level,would not help them to improve their skills...this kind of strategy would help them on the transfer list,but would not stimulate to improve thier abilities in training their players,and if you train well your players,you can grow up faster than any move of market you can be able to do,because you can improve with every training every week.Buying a strong player,will help you right away,but your team will not improve quickly if you fail in training your young players

I´m not sure if I get you wrong or if you get me wrong.

In some countries,the users who take the advantage at the start of their game,have continued to enlarge their advantage over the seasons,becaue their adaversaries do not cover their disadvantage,and when these teams started to meet other experienced managers on the international fields(Federations,BBB and private leagues),the leader teams learned new skills and continue to improve

Part of this is true, and especially being able to stay in the first division without competition from second division have created gaps. But like I´m saying thees gaps are closing, second division teams get stronger and first division have to spend more to stay on top and soon they will not be able to stay in first division without having a balance close to 0.

Many users in the less competitive countries still doesn't understand that they have all the economical and technical possibilities to grow,but they have to do it with their legs,without waiting to have enough money to buy another player and doesn't try to improve their teams every week

And you base this statement on?

In conclusion I would say, that training your players the right way and managing your team right becomes increasingly important in mature leagues like Italy rather than in smaller countries.

1)I understand your thought,but I completely disagree with it.Less competitive countries hasn't economical problems that stop them in their growth,they don't need to have more money to rise the level of the competition in their countries

2)The gaps between divisions in these countries are closing,but not as faster;in many countries there It will take a long time,and in some countries maybe it will ever may closed...but during this period of time,due to the economic situation,many teams of the medium divisions of the mature countries will have great disadvantages on the market,and that's the real question

3)Train your players,and manage your team in the right way become increasingly important also in the less competitive countries,because if these teams will continue to lean mainly on the market to improve their teams,who will take the advantage on this aspect on the game will became unbeatable in these countries,while there will always be an hard challange for everyone is at the top in the mature countries

1. Ofcourse, the daytraders are not the only ones, they just do it constantly.
2. You do not have to call anyone names in order to insult somebody. I understand what you ment by your sentence, I just showed you that people might take different things as an insult. If I was a bit "challenged" from the neck up. I would have thought you had made a compliment. Implying I look younger, thus time has not taken it's toll on me yet.
Please be my babysitter? :O Comon, you can do it! ;) And btw you don't have to appoligize, just like on basketball court, you are enemys if you play for different sides. Still when the game is over you can be friends again and drink beer together (or water, or whatever you like). People have different opinions and it would be a boring world without that.

Last edited by Kukoc at 7/21/2010 1:57:39 PM