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this is the sad tale of my drafting history ill make a summary @ the end

for the record i have spent $20,000 on the draft almost every week since i started in season 10

season div wins
10 3/6 14 +139
11 3/6 19 +581
12 3/6 19 +618
13 3/6 21 +894
14 2/1 13 +163
15 2/1 12 +172
16 2/1 15 +471
17 2/1 13 +370
18 2/1 19 +809
19 2/1 22 +989

season 10 draft

we started in season 10 round 4 so missed out on 1 week of drafting spending $20,000 x 13 weeks

cost $260,000 running cost $260,000 - sales $400,000 = total profit $140,000 (this is my peak!)

draft picks
#13 choice #1 Xiong Tiande $3294 19 HoF C 6'9"
i train guards and he was 6'9" with awful js & all bad guard skills but also inept id, was 19 with low skills sold for $400,000

#29 choice #10 Gao Fazhan $2745 19 allstar C 6'8"
a second big man when i already had xie & rad and was 100% going with guards with 7 x inept or worse i just sacked him

#45 choice #30 He Qunhao $2424 19 benchwarmer PG 6'1"
benchwarmer = sacked

season 11 draft

cost $280,000 running cost $540,000 - sales $420,000 = total loss $120,000

draft picks
#14 choice #3 Perry Hardman $4560 18 star SG 6'6"
he was very tempting but i just felt with the height of 6'6" and potential of only star he wasnt worth training - i have always trained high potential guys pallstar at least with only one exception ever i sold him for about $20,000

#30 choice #4 Ric De Bartolo $4213 19 star SF 6'11"
too tall too low potential couldnt sell him so sacked

#46 choice #34 Tamra Gupta $1991 19 benchwarmer PF 6'3"
sacked

season 12 draft

cost $280,000 running cost $820,000 - sales $638,000 = total loss $182,000

draft picks
#15 choice #2 Eddie Nixon $4023 18 superstar SG 6'9"
already stuck on guards i get an 18yo superstar SG - couldn't be better right, but 6'9" with pitiful IS and awful RE & PA sold for $208,100.

#31 choice #13 Evan Halatau $3026 18 starter PG 6'5"
too low potenrial sold for $10,000 and still playing!

#47 choice #16 Andreas Czybulka-Schwenold $2472 18 starter PG 6'5"
sacked

season 13 draft (the worst ever!)

cost $280,000 running cost $1,100,000 - sales $638,000 = total loss $462,000

draft picks
#16 choice #3 Alex Deevey $3118 18 benchwarmer SG 6'2"
it was a crappy draft for guards & everyone i checked was bad sacked

#32 choice #5 Lokmalhakim bin Sulaiman $3185 18 roleplayer PF 6'2"
sacked

#48 choice #33 Jörg Hersch $1726 19 benchwarmer PF 6'10"
sacked

2 benchwarmers & a roleplayer awesome

season 14 draft

cost $280,000 running cost $1,380,000 - sales $638,000 = total loss $742,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000

draft picks
#9 (my best ever pick) choice #4 Darius Black $3245 18 star 6'1" PG
by now i was really annoyed about my drafting & just wanted to be able to train a draft pick like everyone else so when i got darius even though he had bad skills (7 x inept or worse 42 skill points in total (excluding stam & free throws)) and potential i decided screw it im gonna train him

#25 choice #14 Konstantin Pitzing $2737 18 6th man 6'0" PG
sacked

#41 choice #22 Hazem Mugridge $2771 19 starter 6'1" PG
sacked

SUMMARY READ THIS

after 6 seasons of drafting & trying 2 find a guard to train & an investment of $1.3 million my best drafted rookie was a $3k star potential

easy you say

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season 15 draft (second worst ever)

cost $280,000 running cost $1,660,000 - sales $638,000 = total loss $1022,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000

draft picks
#12 choice #4 Sem Crone $3027 18 6th man SF 6'4"
sacked

#28 choice #8 Mohd Syamsuri bin Ibrahim $2455 18 starter PG 6'0"
sacked

#44 choice #15 Enrico Lorenzi $2285 19 6th man SG 6'0"
sacked

a starter & 2 6th men - ive had worse

season 16 draft (THE MIRACLE!)

cost $280,000 running cost $1,940,000 - sales $642,000 = total loss $1,298,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000 and now 3 x 18 year old trainable pallstars (tptal tpe on them is less than $100,000 combined)

draft picks
#13 choice #1 Will Johnson $3726 18 perennial allstar SF 6'2"
i got my first choice, amazing luck! this is by far my best draft pick ever even if he had a tpe of $50,000 after i have spent $2million on the draft he is the pick i have always wanted

#29 choice #4 Fabian Goller $2990 18 perennial allstar SG 6'4"
my second best pick ever so how much was the second best guy i have ever drafted worth

Purchased from Melbourne Goldfish for $ 4 000

#45 choice #13 Ryan Brown $2660 18 perennial allstar SF 6'0"
to a lot of players he would be just rubbish but with my drafting history i decided to keep him because of his height and very low fouling, i did a lot of 2 position training this season (1on1 & JS) and he always go trained so has had 7 pops this season his tpe was $1-10 but after a season of training...

There have been 8 recent transfers of 18 year old small forwards with strong jump shot and perennial allstar potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar to Ryan Brown have been selling for around $ 2 000 to $ 70 000.

so that is it after $1.3 million loss on the draft the second best player i have ever gotten is worth $2-70,000

season 17 draft (back to normal level of pathetic)

cost $280,000 running cost $2,242,000 - sales $646,000 = total loss $1,596,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000 and now 3 x 18 year old trainable pallstars (total tpe on them is less than $100,000 combined)

draft picks
#12 choice #5 Aden Saunders 18yo $3349 star 6'2" SG my 5th choice sucks (no one else got worse than their 3rd choice in the 1st round) TPE 1-8k, there were good players this season like a 5k allstar, a 3.5k HoF & a 4k HoF but they all went in top 5

eventually i just fired him

#28 choice #8 Mike Talay 18yo $1910 18 6'6" PF role player sacked

$44 choice # 11 Hassan Wexley 19yo $2647 6'1" star PG sacked

so back to normal noone over star potential or 3.5k salary

season 18 draft

cost $280,000 running cost $2,542,000 - sales $646,000 = total loss $1,876,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000 and now 3 x 18 year old trainable pallstars (total tpe on them is less than $100,000 combined)


somehow picking 2nd last i got my first choice & the player i have been wanting 4 seasons


#1 choice #15 Imran Zaki 18yo $2000k 18 6'2" PG MVP - wow a MVP what a lucky day i finally get someone worth training even if he starts out really bad he had a micro tpe but will one day be a star

#7 choice #31 Robert Kahukiwa 18yo $2172 18 6'5" PG allstar

#26 choice #47 Henry Fallon 19yo $2150 19 6'5" PF role player sacked

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season 19 draft

didn't spend in the last 2 weeks of the season wasnt going 2 spend but in the end i did i just cant help myself love drafting

cost $240,000 running cost $2,782,000 - sales $646,000 = total loss $2,116,000 but one slightly trainable player with a tpe of $10,000 and now 3 x 18 year old trainable pallstars & a very weak MVP (total tpe on them is less than $100,000 combined)


#2 choice #16 Steve MacKie 19yo $5710 18 6'2" PG allstar really good starting player for a d4 team & useful in d3 not so good in abbl probably should sell him so he gets trained

#4 choice #32 Dušan Ilijašević 19yo $2550 7'0" C star

#25 choice #48 Kristoffer Catequista 19yo $2727 6'4" PF bench warmer sacked

SUMMARY READ THIS

9 seasons
$2,782,000 spent on drafting
best draft pick ever either
Will Johnson $3726 18 perennial allstar SF 6'2
or
Imran Zaki 18yo $2000k 18 6'2" PG MVP

so ur point is drafting is easy ive drafted a pallstar & a mvp

easy?????????????

Last edited by abigfishy at 7/13/2012 6:27:31 PM

lots of really good points here & i agree in general

the frustration i feel is that for $1 i can buy a player off the tl that i can train 2 be an abbl starter much better than anyone i can draft

agree but the point of the draft is 2 be able 2 draft someone that one day can start for your team

How come is that the point of the draft? In this game, the point is make more money, than you put in or get good skills/potential for training.

totally agree u can get a guy for $1k far better than anyone u can draft urself

But someone actually has to draft them. You can't expect to draft a great trainee, while drafting late. I looked at your drafts, you either are lucky to get something that late or leaguemates are not investing in draft. Like it was said before, raising draftees level will just flood the market with better draftees and you still go out and get a better one than you draft (if you draft late or are unlucky) for practically nothing.
If you want to train your players, stop looking at the TL. You are looking for a perfect match. "This is not good enough", "that is not good enough", stop being nitpicky. You can't expect to get something valuable every season. You have been drafting decent players a few seasons now.

ill post my drafting history

I think we have been over this before. I can throw in my own records. 2,17mil invested total (this season projected investment included), 3,38mil in sales, profit 1,21mil. I even decided to keep 2 draftees from S17 draft and 1 from S18 draft. Last season drafts have not been great, but I don't expect to be dazzled while drafting late. People are starting to invest again, for whatever reason...

3) adjust the sliders on the 2/3 zone - how many people complain about how boring the never ending LI/M2M battles are? if u just made the 2/3 zone better it would solve the problem still leaving LI the same against M2M, 3/2 etc but puting in a vaible counter

i disagree with this one..
in my opinion, the problem with the game engine is much bigger than the effectiveness of 2-3 Zone..
strengthening some tactics will just create new imbalances..
the real problem of the engine is the logical definitions of the shot types and how they are defended..
there should be a major fix like the one done in Season-9..

your other points may be good, but they can not save the game without a better game engine..
what's the joy at training or buying a player with similar skillsets everytime..?
i should be able to sacrifice OD at guard, for example..

OD is the one skill to rule them all. Need to stop outside shooting? OD does the job. Steals? That's OD. Pressuring guys so they can't get the ball inside? OD. There absolutely should have been separate skills for some of these role, but the difficulty now is trying to shoehorn those in now that the game is 20 seasons in.

i disagree with this one..
in my opinion, the problem with the game engine is much bigger than the effectiveness of 2-3 Zone..
strengthening some tactics will just create new imbalances..

disagree

if we were playing rock scissors paper but rock beat both scissors & paper there would be an obvious problem

we could fix if by making paper beat rock

right now for every tactic there is a counter except for look inside which has no counter

playing a 2-3 zone with normal players should be the winning move if you 100% know your opponent will play LI

instead the tactical part of this game is dead dead dead with the majority of big teams playing li/m2m every single game

but yeah u r both right

no matter what strat u play the 1 skill u must have is OD on guards the only thing that comes close is u must have some RE on your 3 base players

the only time strengthened ID counts when playing 2-3 Zone is when your OD is good enough to prevent the opponent from driving inside or sending the ball inside for an open dunk..

i said 100 times, my od isn't very good, for the competion i faced and it is still working.