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200773.57 in reply to 200773.48
Date: 11/16/2011 6:05:32 AM
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One if the reason for our poor rating is that we have lost too many friendlies. I have usually used our underaged in those matches to prepare owners of them that they will have a U21 player coming season to simply motivate them to keep training. Rating is hugely misleading in BB. Our rating was much better some seasons ago when we did not have a very tough draw in consolidation tourney.

Actually in last 2 seasons, which affects your current rank you played 11 friendlies - 5 wins, 6 losts, if we expect e.g. 3 or 4 more wins it would bring you max. 15 more points and you would be ranked 66th intead of 74th. I can't see big difference.
If we look at European Championship season 16 (in brackets actual numbers of users in country, Sweden has 251)
win - Scotland (35)
lost - Spain (4439), Greece (1957), Hungary (1138), Belarus (113), Norway (101), Azərbaycan (44)
So actually 3 smaller countries beat you (with userbase under half of yours), I don't expect there were big changes in userbase of these countries since season 12 (as in season 16 played players from draft after the season 12). So I see season 16 as very unsuccessfull for you.
If we look at Consolation Tournament season 17
win - Bulgaria home (338), Malaysia home (88), South Africa home (12), Ecuador away (11)
lost - Turkey away (2958) , Hungary away (1138), Argentina home (1084), Holland away (300)
so this season was probably ok, no one can expect much better record.

But surely season 16 is reason of your current ranking, 3 more wins in European Championship could bring you up to 60 more points which would mean rank somewhere between 46th and 50th without need to win additional friendly game.

Similar way we could analyse older results.

Your popularity is 72% of 78 total votes which is quite good and show community supports you. But still there is 22 managers that don't approve you as U21 manager. Question is why no one of them come with alternative way for U21 election.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 11/16/2011 6:07:43 AM

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200773.58 in reply to 200773.56
Date: 11/16/2011 6:11:56 AM
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Reacting over misspellings are very low level.

I have already asked you in czech forum to spell it in right way. So if you do it again and again after that I can't understand it as an misspelling.
If I have some problem with spelling some nick I simply use copy and paste. I consider multiple misspellings as very low level.

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Date: 11/16/2011 6:16:05 AM
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It's nice with some activity on the forum but it's really turning into a rant now. Lock the thread and throw away the key!

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Date: 11/16/2011 6:22:46 AM
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It's not about agree or disagree. I understand your view of TIE deals, I just described consequences of that view in time when deals are not illegal. And I try to explain things that are not cought in right context as there was a lot of inncuracies in assumptions in sku88an posts.
There are difference between:
1) We want to play our matches without any agreements
2) We want every matches to be played withou agreements
You can do yourselves 1), but if you really want 2) you have to go to suggestion forum brings some ideas and lobby for them. Even NT coaches forum is not the right place for lobby as BB-staff don't read this forum so often and suggestions belong to suggestion forum and not to that one.

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200773.61 in reply to 200773.45
Date: 11/16/2011 6:50:10 AM
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You think there would be a big short-term difference if rwystyrk was running our U-21 team? We know he´s great, especially in getting paid on the transfer ;) But I don´t think he´s a supercoach that would do miracles with our U-21.

Would love for him to take over our NT next season though. Build som bridges between the Swedish and Czech community...

U21 is about mid-term planning and NT is about long term planning.

I don't know nothing about how scouting is working now in Sweden. If I expect it's not working according to my strategy, it would take 3 seasons to train 18 years old draftee just according to my ideas.
But nobody can do miracles, it's very unlikely to make real success (medal at EC or at least qualify for WC) with country of size as Sweden (251) or Czech republic (539) in Europe. But there has been already some exceptions, but you need a bit portion of luck as well to do so as strong year, cooperative owner of best draftees etc. But larger countries have a big advantage from the start as in average e.g. Turkey (2958) should have 60 players like 5 best in a draft in Sweden. But surely U21 in country like Sweden shouldn't lose very often against countries with less than 100 users and should try to beat little bit bigger countries.
Long time ago I had been Czech U21 manager for 4 seasons (nobody has tied my best result so far) and I'm not interested to manage any U21 anymore. But I reckon the effort of these managers that are able to manage U21 or work as U21 scout. If you are interested I can describe why I'm not interested in it anymore.

If you mean not just U21 but NT as well. There is different situation and advantage of bigger counties is out. Because NT is about 10 to 15 best players no matter how old are they. So there is much bigger chance for smaller countries to beat bigger one. But it takes time. I started as NT manager in season 11 after the coach that had no longer plan and concept for out NT. In speech I warn community that I didn't expect any success for at least 4 season. Finally it came in 6th and 7th season when few members of community started to be little bit inpatient. But still our NT is not at the top of our limits, we can still improve our performance and become even stronger.
If I take control of Sweden NT it would mean even longer way before making success as you are even smaller country. If I started at season 19, I would expect strong performance in European championship season 27 or 29, not earlier unless you have already have some players for my game philosophy. But at the moment I don't expect me to take control of any other NT as soon as I end as Czech NT Manager.
We have a nice competitive national league. Not a team who wins every year and a team which everybody looks up to and are happy to help out when it comes to BBB.

I don't need any help of my leaguemates due to BBB. I play domestic games TIE without an agreement unless it's offered by my opponent. But opponents very often save players for matches with higher probabillity of win, because a tax for chance to beat me is usually too high and it returns in lost in games that could win. And I won league only 9 times in last 13 seasons, 4 times there was different winner. But biggest rival has been in trouble since last season.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 11/16/2011 7:01:28 AM

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200773.62 in reply to 200773.59
Date: 11/16/2011 8:04:55 AM
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It's nice with some activity on the forum but it's really turning into a rant now. Lock the thread and throw away the key!



Yep. Fast tråden heter ju säsong 18 och den är väl inte riktigt klar än.

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200773.63 in reply to 200773.54
Date: 11/16/2011 8:08:57 AM
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Unless there is any rule which forbids it you can't expect no one will play on deals (deals are not just TIE-deals).

Sry i count deals and TIE-deals as one. But if i reformulate... i would hope that people do not cheat. I would like deals to be forbidden. And if people are so desperate for a win in an internet game, they even go out of their way to cheat, i feel sorry for them and also hope they will be banned if it is discovered.
However, i said in my post several times that if you ignore the problem with finding cheaters, it would be a better game if we had no deals. Just look at how Hattrick was before the deals came in their NTs.

Unless you use the deals, you are always the 3rd team

Your kinda missing the point here, every deal has a looser. And if its not a broken deal, then its an innocent team. But maby you are right, its perhaps my damn morale and willing to play fair who makes me stubborn in this. I would still like a fair game tho, even if many dont want it. (I get the feeling you wouldnt want a rule against deals even if we can find a way to make sure noone uses it.)

This should cover your 2 next quotes also, i can add: No all deals are perhaps not positive... but almost always it will be a positive thing to agree to a deal, which makes dealhunting a far too important task for a NT-manager, instead of concentrating in being an actual coach.

Now it's pretty fair. Everybody know about the possibility of deals, just some users decided not to use them and threw themselves to disadvantage.

But it would be more fair, right? :)

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200773.64 in reply to 200773.56
Date: 11/16/2011 8:18:54 AM
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Does he not prefer to be called "rwystyrk (European Champion)".

regards,
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Date: 11/16/2011 8:31:46 AM
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What is your master of the universe stands for?
In brackets following my name is European Champion as we simply won this competition if you miss it.
(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/world/standings.aspx?teamid=3...)
But calling me just rwystyrk is ok ;-)


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Date: 11/16/2011 8:40:35 AM
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Date: 11/16/2011 8:45:11 AM
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There are difference between:
1) We want to play our matches without any agreements
2) We want every matches to be played withou agreements
You can do yourselves 1), but if you really want 2) you have to go to suggestion forum brings some ideas and lobby for them. Even NT coaches forum is not the right place for lobby as BB-staff don't read this forum so often and suggestions belong to suggestion forum and not to that one.

Alternative 2 is my option. The only reasonable alternative in my opinion.

I made this suggestion long time ago in Suggestion forum after first posting it in the national team forum. BBs owner said an absolutely no to it. As it has been dismissed once. I have no interest in suggesting it again as I think my chances of getting a change now is extremely small.

I still want my suggestion to be within the rules but there are no signs of it to ever happen.

I will still refuse any TIE deals and that was what your accusation was all about.

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