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We are going to have to do it individually on our own.

Yeah, the app will help.

But the nature of the game conspires against its mass consumption. This game is not designed to satisfy the masses's bowels and guts, something that you consume and it evaporates before you turn off the video console.

This game satisfies brains: its interface is simple, it's structure is complex, and you spend (or could spend) a lot of time inside the structure of the game, instead of the actual "thing" -the BKB game of the day- happening. Brains don't need 6GB of RAM or extreme pixelation to feel pleasure; guts and bowels do.

Now, in our hypermodern times, I wouldn't expect young and middle-aged people to sign up for a game and right off the bat understand they'll need a calendar year to be elite, and actually stay. And by elite I not only mean a 15k arena with a roster that pretty much equals or surpasses your tickets earnings, with long national cup runs, but I also mean -like somenone here said somewhere- scout opponents, study players assets and skills, and actually read and understand Josef Ka's workbooks and coeffs.

So forget it, I actually think 25k users -real, long term users- is pretty much a miracle in these days.

The app will help, undoubtely, but perhaps its benefits will have to do with only having less bots (or, if you want, more "human" bots, that is dudes with just a little more activity that a true bot, but not enough activity to actually be what we would call "regular users"; they would just avoid becoming bots), but that doesn't mean the players will be more engaged with the game.

Anyway, in any case, the app should be an improvement, however you look at it.

I don't know... just some thoughts...

+1 succinct

Y -like somenone here said somewhere- scout opponents, study players assets and skills, and actually read and understand Josef Ka's workbooks and coeffs.

Yeah...that was me. You have said what I've been thinking of late, enzomanya...that more users won't necessarily improve the experience. That less users, but more willing and engaged (and as a result, ultimately more experienced managers) would make the game more challenging, hence more enjoyable.

You have exposed my negative thinking it seems I had when I originally started this thread: that the decline in users was indicative perhaps of a dying game. But you're right...less users isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The old, "less is more" adage...

Well guys, I tend to agree.

I am 'older' and really joined the game because I wanted to find something that would keep my mind active, that required the user to have many plates spinning at the same time. This was by far the best option I could find.

I agree with all the points in the last two posts (and some beyond) and would like to add an observation of my own as well, Utopia; I think this was a great idea, as it fits into this discussion, what a great way to bring engaged and willing managers from all over the world and get them all interacting together almost without boarders?! genius! Here we are coming to the realisation that there is a declining number of users, but quite likely just a settling of critical mass, and then comes along an idea like Utopia.

I think if BB just continued to find ways that the passionate and engaged could regularly interact, then we would all be in for a great future.

This game is a long term management one and the thinkers will stay, gamers looking for a console style game are never going to be happy with the long term investment model that BB has it's foundations set in.

I think a move to a smart phone friendly version is a must, but not a highly visual console style of game change.

That is my 5c worth, and as I really hate typing, I will end it right here

Facebook & Twitter
When you start playing BuzzerBeater you are asked to complete 19 tasks. Add another task: ''Like or Follow BB''. The new user should either like the official BB page on Facebook or follow BB on twitter. Why not forcing the old users to also like or follow? It takes only one click for us and it advertises BB to every friend of ours...

Might be hard for people when they don´t use Twitter or Facebook... like me.


There are many good ideas how to make it more attractive to join the game and to stay in the game. We have the mentoring thing as well in the German community, but that requires newbies to find the BB-Forums, and the correct ones. But once new managers fínd a mentor, I think that´s the best way to keep them enjoying the game in a critical phase (establishing your team after the first month and until the training results lead to a better team).

For oldies like me, the best way to keep us in the game is - in my opinion - to make fundamental changes in the game engine. The minute distribution, the substitution patterns, the game engine at certain points within a game, especially in crunch time, is such a mess. I don´t follow games any longer, even if I have time. It´s just no fun. You don´t have the chance to set realistic lineups, you have (nearly) no options how to react in crunchtime. You have some totally broken tactics like Patient (totally unrealistic) or the ISO tactics that hardly ever work (and they NEVER work better than established ones like Motion, LI or Run´n´Gun).
The game itself is fun, because I like the slow pace of a text based desktop game, but there is a lot of room for improvement for the actual game engine.

Another thing that I don´t like is the communication between the BBs and the community, cause there is hardly any. BB-Marin shows up every now and then, others never. The news page is a mess, e.g.the welcome message with the changes for the season shows up after the first two league matches are played.

I think everything play a factor the biggest thing to me is the constant changes.. like taxes and etc.. 1 player training is better than training the whole team but it take whole balance team to win a hard game.(* this very long post)

I don't pay for the game, because why should honor a tax enforced game and player restriction forced game.. when I joined there was no tax. There was no tinkers in Sb and players Gameshape and stamina or player you can have... There was no guessing game to the tactic of the foes in the division before the game..

I think 1 player training has to be for all positions. every single skill for every single player... Why should I put a pg at center just to get inside shot.? I think this game is back wards. Team training should be the same as 1 Player training if not greater.. Thats my opinion. but anyone else can differ. If team training is less than 1 player then how is your team going to get better is this game not about balanced games? Look at the market you have bid on trainers.. to me this is a turn off also a waste of revenue. Bidding on every dang thing on the game,. its a huge turn off. Im not even going to get into the prices .

. Book marking a player means nothing with out some kind of BB app with the phone going off in notice a way. If I want a player from china then it on me to understand the time zone climate. You will be out bided every time because of time zones.

. Stop restricting players that can play for small ball club.

I think putting caps on team how much they can afford and who can play for them is foolish and wrong. Go back to cash in the bank. Its a managing game. Just because a small club pulled a kobe how does that effect the Nbaa?? It doesn't because they have a full team of kobe like players. it should be on who they trained. Did the Miami Heat train Lebron James?. Did the Lakers train Shaq or Wilt Chamberlayne to start.??. Let be realistic how many of the teams who won B3 or top league trained every single player??

Team bankruptcy should not mean team closure. The expensive players should just leave the team in sale of them and the manager is noted of this when is the red and closed the sale money goes to his red debt.. I think this were BB can do" what you can afford and player restrictions "all that jazz. Let it take place after team BR. It helps, it teaching the new player about budgets and balanced teams, it should not be a permenant thing for the life of the game maybe till they promote or 4 seasons.. Little notes in the Pm box about balanced team and tips in the mail box..

Restricting what you can do should be for bankrupted teams only. I have never been in debt since I joined the game. I have spent over 4 million in players just for fun. Why is the game all of sudden controlling my finances and my ways of play? I don't need it? Nothing is fair in sports. real or fake. Go play fifa14 or madden 15 or nba 2k14 they give out locker codes and now some kid got a Diamond Durant or Kobe, gold Barry Sanders or diamond Messi or Saurez. When some players are struggling with 60 rated team for a very long time , grinding hard trying to be better. So what should it matter if I have 5 million in the bank in assets and go buy a Michael Jordan in league 5 and likes to compete. I earned it and I can afford it. Right?? Oh because I haven't trained him .. that's absurd and unfair. Also a turn off

Its to many restrictions for no reason at all, for the sake of being fair.. I would have quit a long time ago, the 1st day they made taxes .I was going to call it quit because the game is not real life but its adding real life rules to restrict.. So I play for fun until im tired of BB which I think will be soon. To much drastic change to many restrictions.. They say it for man at the top with the money who tanks and out bid you..

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 7/28/2014 7:22:56 PM

(cont) The cold truth Is it not hard to make money on BB. Look at my team its awfuls but Im making 120k a game. It really easy to make money. It not hard to out bid some body if your in china either. Having 5 kobes don't mean anything if they don't know how to use them correctly.

Look at what happen to rome Rome. high taxes. lost freedom for restriction..?? That should be a wake up call. But its sad to some don't want get out the bed to answer that call.

Thats my take on BB.. They want fair ness but just going about it the wrong way. Shoving down people throat is not the way.