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I think you are saying all the right things, but at the wrong time. To me, the game is still young and can improve. The financial structure will take a natural tilt (good teams being in Div I) but that should come in time and artificially introduced. If this was the case, then I think how you bring teams into BB and what their starting compliment needs to be looked at first. The same goes with the draft. A player in Div I getting the same type of player as a Div IV team is fair, but needs a mature game to see the definitive results (only to watch that Div I team sell the guy, make a ton of money - sorry off topic). I vote to let natural time allow for the teams to move where they need to

Keep these things in mind

Teams starting in the last few months - these teams have put in a lot of time in developing their team only to find out the players they develop can be found on what could be considered ebay. It was very demoralizing to me to see a player I paid 600k for 2 days before the influx be reduced to nothing more than an average player now going for 100k. Or the player I have been training from day one and finally has a strong statistic only to be bought for a cheap price. I wouldn't of spent the effort, sold all my players and just bought a team (no comments about my transfers please :) )

National Teams - if they showcase the best players, then it's just another chance for Div I and II teams to see a player they paid for or trained up because the rest of us just don't stack up. I would be ok with that if the game wasn't 3 season old and some countries not even 1 season old.

Top Level players - once a player plateaus, what do you plan on doing with him? No one can afford them, but the NT team needs them so they are going to get washed around

You probably have something with me needing to take a step back, so Ive taken a deep breath.

My issue, Ill try and keep it short and sweet this time, is that top teams are getting a huge infusion of potential off reintroducing these players at a bargain compared to what they would have cost in the past. Where before they had to draft well, save and scour for good players, its happening in bunches now. Several NBBA teams have picked up top flight 18 year olds that would have never been available because the teams probably wouldnt have sold them.

It seems like after growing very quickly in a short span of time, an artificial maturity is being put into place. I don't like that people are going to get much better over this season based on where they are rather than how well they run their team. I didn't have a problem with the few really good players out there on the market going for high prices. Now theres a ton and they aren't costing what they would have in the past. Im not advocating making the financial structure flat, but time and effort should be involved in growing your team. Top teams are getting a fat reward with little effort, there is compared to the past, low competition for these guys because there are so many. This is three large posts by me in one day on one topic, Ive said my peace. I'd rather see this be a slower more gradual process in terms of player and team development. Thats all.

I will say that the BB staff is painfully aware that changing anything about the game hurts players that have been playing the game for awhile.... perhaps we should have announced that we were going to start releasing players at midseason instead of just doing it. We did it because we felt the way the game was progressing was untenable... teams in the upper divisions were amassing HUGE amounts of cash because they had nothing to spend it on. We saw two choices, one reduce revenues of the top teams...(we felt that doing this would be repeating the fundamental flaw of hattrick in not having a real advantage to promotion and the other reasons i've discussed)... second, find ways to get the top teams players to spend money on and these were the ways we came up with.... maybe we should have just artificially scaled the ratings and salaries of the players in each division in order to balance the average budget of a team within that division.

The comment I am referring to was made in the US forum when there was talk about the banned team players making an appearance, the cost of those players and the fact that you make 700k in either a league match or a cup match. I know for a fact, I don't make 700k a week, or 2 or 3. So sure go ahead brag, doesn't bother me. Can we scrimmage before you get anymore players? :)

Any player who have been in the game since season 1, or midway through season 2 should have more money than I to spend on players - that is a fact. I did and I spent it - no questions asked. You are in the NBBA so you naturally will benefit by the increased pool of player available - again, not a big deal. I understand what you intention was and didn't take it personal until today when I reviewed this thread.

The issue comes in play when there is an issue like this and you make a comment like the one you made. The delivery is kiling this - intentions or not.

There is a lot of parity in this game. Parity is not a good thing, but artificially killing it instead of letting it just die is worse (in my opinion). The good teams and better players will come. I think the masses are saying let it happen in time and let the masses feel good about creating Uber players as time passes.

The comment I am referring to was made in the US forum when there was talk about the banned team players making an appearance, the cost of those players and the fact that you make 700k in either a league match or a cup match. I know for a fact, I don't make 700k a week, or 2 or 3. So sure go ahead brag, doesn't bother me. Can we scrimmage before you get anymore players?

I actually made that on TV games - if I was making $700K a week on ticket sales alone that would be indescribable.

It wasn't meant to say "hey little guys, eat poop".

Any player who have been in the game since season 1, or midway through season 2 should have more money than I to spend on players - that is a fact. I did and I spent it - no questions asked. You are in the NBBA so you naturally will benefit by the increased pool of player available - again, not a big deal. I understand what you intention was and didn't take it personal until today when I reviewed this thread.

The issue comes in play when there is an issue like this and you make a comment like the one you made. The delivery is kiling this - intentions or not.

What exact comment in this thread is the one that you're displeased with? (Again, I ask legitimately, I want to be sure I'm responding to the correct issue, and I'm not being facetious).

Edited by GM-JuicePats (11/28/2007 1:56:45 AM CET)

Last edited by Edju at 11/28/2007 1:56:45 AM

Agreed and a fair understanding. Please don't get me wrong, I like the game. Get pissed off when I lose and am happy when I win. I talked to about 15 people who are all playing the game one way or another - so as a supporter, you have my money already and I am getting my money's worth. Whatever your doing, it's working. I am just worried about retention.

Thanks for your time and back side (cuz you guys sure did take a licking)

Edited by Digging for Change (11/28/2007 2:00:43 AM CET)

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cuz you guys sure did take a licking

I've seen worse .. and worse will come ... :-)

Thx for your comments which are always welcome. It's nice to see mood swings depending on your results - as you said, we must be doing something right to make it important to you .. :-)

..My issue, Ill try and keep it short and sweet this time, is that top teams are getting a huge infusion of potential off reintroducing these players at a bargain compared to what they would have cost in the past. Where before they had to draft well, save and scour for good players, its happening in bunches now. Several NBBA teams have picked up top flight 18 year olds that would have never been available because the teams probably wouldnt have sold them.

It seems like after growing very quickly in a short span of time, an artificial maturity is being put into place. I don't like that people are going to get much better over this season based on where they are rather than how well they run their team. I didn't have a problem with the few really good players out there on the market going for high prices. Now theres a ton and they aren't costing what they would have in the past. Im not advocating making the financial structure flat, but time and effort should be involved in growing your team. Top teams are getting a fat reward with little effort, there is compared to the past, low competition for these guys because there are so many. This is three large posts by me in one day on one topic, Ive said my peace. I'd rather see this be a slower more gradual process in terms of player and team development. Thats all.

English is not my first (or even 2nd) language so sparing us all from mistakes and/or embarresment this qoute sums it up almost right for me..

..and further..

..I just found this game after umpteenth seasons in HT. Steadily going from Div VII to third place in Div III as top mark. I just couldnt find the time/energy/interrest or incentives to micromanage myself any further in that game. There are so many things wrong with the economy/player values/onetrickponygameengine that I just lost interrest. Climbing another division without seriously risking your whole economy for a push just isnt.. bla bla bla nuf HT.

Luckily for me Im much more of a bball-nut anyHOWway so BB looked like the perfect game where everyone actually had a chance to participate and climb with good managing skills and a strategy. That is no longer the case.. just after putting together my first winning streak and getting somewhere up my div III ladder Im distanced from the top "forever" almost in HT-style.

Imho balancing the economy/revenue within the div ladder would've been the sportmanship approach.

Just my two ores worth

-P

Luckily for me Im much more of a bball-nut anyHOWway so BB looked like the perfect game where everyone actually had a chance to participate and climb with good managing skills and a strategy. That is no longer the case

That's just simply not true.

None of the changes made will prevent teams from rising to the top.

Ok. I was going to drop this, walk away, accept that things aren't going to change and get back to just enjoying the game, but your inability or unwillingness to even accept what people in lower divisions than you are saying is very frustrating.

Fact:NBBA teams make considerably more than anyone else, this is fine, they are at the top, its their right.

Fact:There are more high quality (compared to what every other team has) players on the market, D.I teams don't need to fight over them as tooth and nail as they used to since there are enough for you all to be civil, marginally outbid each other and move on to the next one rather than get in a true bidding war as was the case in the past.

Fact:Top young talent is getting bought up by all the top teams.

Fact:Training speed for young talent is being increased soon.

Teams with money RIGHT NOW are going to get much better over the course of this season with the policies in place. As in faster than you would have if you were playing the game as was in the past. Top teams still got the top talent, it just cost you more and sometimes they didn't want to pay the price, like thats any different than any of us have had to deal with. We will go from a league with teams based soley on merit, to one with current financial position going a huge way, with merit also tossed in. As in if you have the cash and are not buying up 18 year olds with current developments and future ones impending, your going to regret it by next season tremendously. If you don't agree, by all means don't buy anyone under the age of 20 until they stop recycling players.

If a team can compete with an NBBA team who has been in the league longer, has made the sums you have spoken of in TV games when they are a D.IV team, that NBBA team doesn't deserve a spot in the top division because they have not been doing their job. They have a financial advantage, if they can't translate that into a talent advantage with the system as it was, thats their fault. Man up and pay the 1 million for that stud young player rather then 1 million for 4 of them, then take your time and develop them.

Teams can still rise to the top, but will be after this season, hamstrung by these developments. The teams above them are getting rapidly better than other managers in the game because of the changes in system, not because of their diligence. Stop replying to this thread defending the BBs position if you can't see that your getting hooked up, they are doing a great job of it and you with your biased view of these events as an NBBA member, trying to come off as impartial, are not helping anyone.

Edited by cruzanm423 (11/28/2007 4:38:02 AM CET)

Edited by cruzanm423 (11/28/2007 4:40:09 AM CET)

Last edited by cruzanm423 at 11/28/2007 4:40:09 AM

Fact:There are more high quality (compared to what every other team has) players on the market, D.I teams don't need to fight over them as tooth and nail as they used to since there are enough for you all to be civil, marginally outbid each other and move on to the next one rather than get in a true bidding war as was the case in the past.

That hasn't happened.

There are still bidding wars taking place constantly amongst the top teams, and further down the pyramid as well.

Fact:Top young talent is getting bought up by all the top teams.

Fact:Training speed for young talent is being increased soon

Teams can only train a finite amount of players.

Sure, I could buy 20 18 y/o studs, but I can't train them all. With a consistent release of players (and with a big release coming soon), there will be players to go around.


The BBs have stated that their intention is to get definition between the divisions. One of HT's fundamental flaws is that there's no real tangible benefit to promoting up the ladder. Here there is. Once a team promotes, they'll have their economy impacted in a positive way.

If you expect to promote to a new division and automatically compete for a title, it's just not realistic. It doesn't happen in real life in all but the most extreme cases, and shouldn't happen here a majority of the time.

The BBs have an economist on staff to help maintain a healthy, burgeoning economy, and quite frankly, I put more stock in his opinions on this subject than you, me, or pretty much anyone else.

These changes don't really affect me as much as you want to intimate.

I was ahead of the curve when it came to Arena expansions, and that's what has really paid off for me, not any of the changes to the economy.

I'll probably be buying one trainee in the coming days (or weeks), but not because of the changes...I have a Colombian I'm going to offload in favor of an American. As the USA NT manager, it's hypocritical for me to be putting out the message that we need to train our Americans up for the glory of the NT while training a Colombian.


I believe these changes will be good for the long-term health of the economy, and that's why I support them.

It has nothing to do with my team, and any implication that it is is completely wrong.