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But at very high potential, hall of famer or all-time great, potential with difficult to cover them, two pops at 20 years old can make that they reach a great level at the end of his training than the other that no pays. Or at U21 games, not the same that all players at your U21 pays to learn faster than teams that no paid for that. At the end can be similar but at the U21 competition it would be a great difference.

Good points, those are indeed negative effects. Maybe it could be negated by excluding players that have paid pops from the U21, and only enabling it for Superstar or less potential (those that reach their cap easily anyway).

I was just thinking out loud how money could be generated by being able to pay to speed things up without getting an advantage, instead of asking money for ease of use functionality that should be a given for a website. Don't you think it's strange to have to pay for things as a search function and being able to stay logged in??

Last edited by Jeründerbar at 10/17/2017 8:35:51 AM

Well, I think that they offer the basics to play and if you want advanced options to make the game faster, prettier they sell you a premium pack. Is nothing that affect the gameplay of the users but make easier to search at transferlist, make your team prettier with jersey numbers and nicknames and team logos and other features that helps the managers. I think that something of this features could be free but they have to sell his premium pack.

I think there's a difference in view on "advanced options". I would say any search function (forum, transfer market) and any other ease of use option is not advanced, it is mandatory. Not having these options is detrimental to the user experience. I think premiums should only be paid for functionality like cosmetics and speed of progress, like in most succesful "Freemium" games/apps.

Well, the search in transfer market it's avaible for all teams but if you pay, you can have most options to limit the search to not see all the players. The forum search I think that must be free, however I still using google to search at forums, it's better.

I disagree, you don't increase chances, you just speed up the progress to get to a certain point. Take your arena for example, you have a capped arena so if a new manager could pay to instantly get a capped arena, he wouldn't have any competitive advantage over you, he just paid to save time. I wouldn't mind BB generating money in a way like that; I don't get a disadvantage, but BB gets money to develop features that I can use. I think that's a win-win.

Now the suggestion to pay for faster training is much trickier, and I don't think it should just be done, but it is something we could think about working out in a way that is fair to all users. It might not be able to do so in a fair way, and then we certainly shouldn't do it, but I was just providing food for thought.

If a new manager paid for a capped arena at the onset then he does have a significant advantage. Look at this example:

Manager A pays real world money for capped arena
Makes $100k a week in profits
Can spend profits on players to improve team and promote with an arena that is ready for the next level

Manager B doesn't pay real world moeny for capped arena
Makes $100k a week in profits(Probably less than Manager A since arena is smaller)
Has to spend at least part of profits on arena in order to prepare for promotion while spending on players too
If/when he promotes, has to spend money on area to be at a level to make money at the next level while upgrading players to stay competitive.

I would suggest that you still need in-game money to initiate the construction of the seats, but then you can pay to have it completed right away (or pay half that amount after half the construction time to finish it).

I agree with you that it should be prevented that the game ends up as pay to win, but it seems we differ in our view on what is pay to win. I'm someone who doesn't want to pay for feature, advantages or speeding up things, so I'm on the same page as you in that regard. However, I do try to look through the eyes of the paying users and of BB in the sense that the things you can pay for need to be attractive for those that pay for it, so that BB can generate money. If micro-transactions are limited purely to cosmetic features, I think it won't generate a lot of money because there's not a lot of people that want to spend money on that.

However, I think the newer generations have a need for instant gratification and are willing to pay to get things faster. That would generate a lot of money for BB, and more serious projects like an app could be developed with that. That's a positive for non-paying users too.

In the end, if you want a good game, it needs to be paid for. I'm perfectly fine with paying time for a game while others pay money. That way I can profit from the money they invest in the game I play for free, and I'm fine with having to spend more time to get to the point that paying users get faster.

As an exisiting manager, I'm not negatively effected because I already have my arena and good roster. As a new manager, you could experience a negative effect. You could combat that by also paying to speed up progress (new generation might do this), or you could just go for the long haul (older generation like existing managers might do this). However, since new manager already face the disadvantage versus exisiting managers, I don't think giving the option to pay for progress is detrimental to the experience of new non-paying users.